Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[poorpluto]

Poorpluto, thanks for replying.

You confirmed my experience with that setup although I was curious what result you would have with 220v input and large coil vs my 24v input and small coil. I came to a different conclusion though. I figured the flux linking with the wire did produce emf but it was so minuscule the meter wouldn't read it. If you calculate based on the flux area equal to the diameter of the wire x the length of the iron it crosses you will see what I mean...

I think lower input voltage would reduce the input current so would also reduce the output voltage. A smaller secondary coil will help to reduce the gap between E & I core (lower reluctance, more flux) but it has higher resistance which will reduce the maximum power out, maybe I'll try it some other time. I see what you mean by flux area of wire diameter, I agree there is a voltage but very tiny. Did you mean you had tried a rotating magnetic field? How was the set up (the output coil and the inducer)?

I've just done a measurement on 3 secondary coil separately, here is the result:
Center secondary coil: V = 3.7 V
The other two: 0.8 V & 0.75 V
(total 5.25 V approximately the same as the previous measurement)

Hi poorpluto,

Reading your posts on the tests, it seems to me that you consider the small change in the input power comsumption only when you load the secondary and then you seem to compare this small change to the secondary output power to get a certain efficiency or COP figure ...

I had shown the "secondary open" result in my second post to show the magnetizing current, is that what you mean? I don't know how to measure the phase shift between the primary current and voltage, that's why I use another way to calculate the power dissipated (I rms ^2 *R) and I think that's acceptable, right?

I don't understand Q (quality factor?) well. I meant that the secondary voltage must be stepped up to around 11 Vac, then the voltage would be sufficient to supply the magnetizing current (~1.55 A) in the primary in resonance while the load could still be connected to the secondary before or after stepping up. I haven't tested such arrangement I don't know whether it will be sufficient for a self-running test or not, any suggestion?

[Marsing]

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Here you have a loose inductor with high leakage and low self inductance or low linkage flux. The flux of the most outer wires may not even reach the inner turns because of the geometry (disk or pancake shape). The magnetic field in the iron nail should be weaker and should pick up a lower number of paper clips.
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bajac,
i think here is miscommunication, cadman refers to cylindrical shape bifi coil and not disk or pancake shape. 

gyulasun,
i see your bifi coil is not wound well, it should be side by side ,from front to end and each turn should not overlap each other. if it does then there is no different between single or bifi coil.

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[Doug1]

C'mon Cadman
I know you can do it your right there.If you go off on some stupid side track Im gonna get really grumpy.

[stupify12]

Hello bajac.

I think we come up with the same ideas about this High Speed Alternators/ High Frequency Alternator(Tesla). Tesla mention on his diary(CS Notes) about his design with this kind of High Speed Alternators  which is exactly the same with those of Ferranti you have posted.

Tesla mention on his diary that the Induced wound coils is exactly 3Feet in length wound in each inserted PIN. I was referring to this patent

http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-447,920-operating-arc-lamps?pq=YXJjIGxpZ2h0

, read it if you want to see the similarities of both machines(Tesla and Ferranti). I have read all High Speed Generators of Nikola Tesla, and understand it very well that you discussed about Ferranti is not new to me. Tesla has almost the same design of that High Speed Alternators either the armature are revolving or the Inducing Electromagnets are revolving.

I could say that Tesla also found that the Exciter/Inducing Electromagnet stationary(steady) on the outer ring is best design. The larger the radius or diameter of the High Speed Generators the more Zig Zag Exciter Electromagnet Tesla could put on the Outer ring.

There are two more patent which is exactly the same machine with those of Ferranti which Tesla have design.


Meow 

Thank you for clarifying it. Now I know what you were trying to say. I do not understand why you did not explain it like that from the beginning.

I always make an effort to reply to the posts even though I do not have too much spare time. I am getting behind on some of my other work because I have dedicated a lot of time to this forum for the last two months. I do not regret it at all, it has been too much fun learning about Ferranti and all others that had an starring role in the second half of the 19th century.


I really appreciate your posts. I always look forward to hearing from you. Your participation has been very helpful indeed! Thanks to you, today I know about Ferranti.


Best regards,
Bajac

[bajac]

bajac,
i think here is miscommunication, cadman refers to cylindrical shape bifi coil and not disk or pancake shape. 

Yet, I do not see the relation with the Ferranti alternators.