Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[forest]

Reference in the New York Herald the 9th of June 1902:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_tesla/tesla27_04.jpg

"...the only extraordinary point about it is that has taken so long to discover a simple scientific fact"....."the whole apparatus being so simple that a child could work it."

As Groucho Marx said after a similar statement: "Bring me here a child of 6 years!"   

The interesting fact here is how it's described as atmospheric electricity and how Tesla reacted on this article.

[Farmhand]

Farmhand,

If you read the patent from 1908 you will notice that Figuera clearly states that he is claiming  a generator which does not use any fuel once started.

"...the production of the current in the induced, current that
we can use for any work for the most part, and of which only one small
fraction is derived for the actuation of a small electrical motor which make
rotate the brush, and another fraction goes to the continuous excitation of the
electromagnets, and, therefore, converting the machine in self-exciting, being
able to suppress the external power which was used at first to excite the
electromagnets. Once the machinery is in motion, no new force is required
and the machine will continue in operation indefinitely."
...
"From this current is derived a small part to excite the machine
converting it in self-exciting and to operate the small motor which moves the
brush and the switch; the external current supply, this is the feeding current,
is removed and the machine continue working without any help indefinitely"

Electricity from a battery is not fuel !

Anyway I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from doing anything, I have my doubt's myself.

Is the patent an actual granted patent ? Or an application ?

I don't recall seeing this text below in the patent I'll have to read it again.

the production of the current in the induced, current that
we can use for any work for the most part, and of which only one small
fraction is derived for the actuation of a small electrical motor which make
rotate the brush, and another fraction goes to the continuous excitation of the
electromagnets, and, therefore, converting the machine in self-exciting, being
able to suppress the external power which was used at first to excite the
electromagnets. Once the machinery is in motion, no new force is required
and the machine will continue in operation indefinitely."

From this current is derived a small part to excite the machine
converting it in self-exciting and to operate the small motor which moves the
brush and the switch; the external current supply, this is the feeding current,
is removed and the machine continue working without any help indefinitely"

Do you have a link to where the text above is from ?

Not here- http://www.scribd.com/doc/114818563/Clemente-Figuera-Patent-30378-1902-Spanish-and-English-1

I see what looks like a patent "application" to me here http://www.energeticforum.com/214451-post116.html

But like you say the purpose is to replicate and see for yourselves. Which is a good idea.

Now I see where the implication of free energy is from, so I can understand.

Does he give indication where the extra energy is coming from.

By the way I'm not in any Matrix. 


Cheers

P.S. What I don't understand is that if the device was demonstrated and a actual patent granted, then how was it suppressed at the time when the drawings were in good condition and he was alive ?

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[hanon]

Farmhand,

From your comments I am afraid that you have not followed the complete story of the Figuera´s gnerator. If you want to expend some time you could read in the forums, because I think you have not read them yet. After that, you could start doing some questions because you simple doubts are out of context at this stage.

By the way, from your ideas I could think that you are a person outside of the free energy researchers but I can see right now that you (or a person with the nickname farmhand) have 3,059 posts into the energeticforum.com  forum and you have posted some months ago in that forum about the Figuera Generator so you definitely are not unaware of this device. Sorry but I can not understand by you are asking such simple questions if you know this generator for months.

It would be wellcome if you join us in trying to replicate it, but first you have to teach yourself by reading the previous posts

Regards

[Farmhand]

Farmhand,

From your comments I am afraid that you have not followed the complete story of the Figuera´s gnerator. If you want to expend some time you could read in the forums, because I think you have not read them yet. After that, you could start doing some questions because you simple doubts are out of context at this stage.

By the way, from your ideas I could think that you are a person outside of the free energy researchers but I can see right now that you (or a person with the nickname farmhand) have 3,059 posts into the energeticforum.com  forum and you have posted some months ago in that forum about the Figuera Generator so you definitely are not unaware of this device. Sorry but I can not understand by you are asking such simple questions if you know this generator for months.

It would be wellcome if you join us in trying to replicate it, but first you have to teach yourself by reading the previous posts

Regards

Yes I am farmhand, those are my posts, what does that have to do with anything ?  I don't change my name and I only use one name everywhere, I get suspicious when people try to imply I am doing something wrong because I have a lot of posts, why get personal ? On the flip side a lot of posts shows I don't change names or post under different names, like a lot of people do do. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, or implying wrongdoing. Are you accusing me of wrongdoing ? If I get busy with a project here I might end up with 3000 posts here too so what of it.

I was just trying to understand where the implication of free energy came from. When things don't seem to make sense I question them.

In my last post I stated found where the claims of self running were made, and so now I have no more questions about that. Question answered. Thanks.
I do find it strange that there were no claims of free energy in the first 1902 patent or patent application or whatever it is.
And the patents don't look like actual granted patents to me.

Good luck and best wishes. 

[hanon]

Hi again,

Actually, the patent from 1908 was granted, if I am not wrong. Anyway the granting is not a measure of the validity of a device, it is a measure of the novelty and the inventive level of the patent.

I hope you could join us in this project. Everyone with experience is welcome. You can go throug the full story following chronologically the forums

Regards