new magnet ball in a tube motor ?

[evolvingape]

Powercat,

What are the aims of your build ? A magnet ball loose in a circular toroidal close tolerance tube, with phase angle coil pickups or injectors, has no means to extract torque from the system. Both balls and coils are rotors. A rotor / stator arrangement is mandatory for interaction with all fields, especially the torque field around a spinning axis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_%28generator%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor-stator_interaction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_motor

The HRT was designed to harness the torque moment from the force acting on the mass of the sphere (magnet ball) / (LFV housing). This means that C'man's HHO version has been modified to move the combustion chamber into the ball itself, fed with fuel via a centrifugal force pump already paid for as a byproduct of rotation about an axis. The HHO supply located sleeved around centre bore shaft is fluid pumped as a venturi flow. As a result a temperature differential is created and a sleeved thermoelectric generator (TEG) converts that into DC, which will access the atomic phase dimension (HHO), run as AC it will access the molecular phase change dimension (steam).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_generator

If your aiming your project at a purely information gathering excercise from personal experience then you should enjoy it. Any thoughts of an efficiency competition with the known laws of existing magnet generators and motors is almost pointless, scrapping over the last few %. Any benefit must come from an alternate property of a spinning, low friction floating magnet ball, in a driven toroid guide, that is not currently known. How will you measure for that ? How will you measure for torque generated without the drive connection to rotary moment ?

The principles discussed here and elsewhere are the seeds to a breathing 3 dimensional engine that runs on water, electricity, phase change and thermal potential difference flowing through a fluid.

Rob 

[DreamThinkBuild]

Hi Powercat,

I just got a video uploaded to show the effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBSwhL8s1zc

[powercat]

Powercat,
What are the aims of your build ? A magnet ball loose in a circular toroidal close tolerance tube, with phase angle coil pickups or injectors, has no means to extract torque from the system. Both balls and coils are rotors. A rotor / stator arrangement is mandatory for interaction with all fields, especially the torque field around a spinning axis.

Hi
the toroid coils are fixed to the outside of the tube and the magnet ball is loose inside the tube,
Then it is fixed to the bicycle and you paddle.  Nothing is connected to the shaft
apart from the normal bicycle wheel, so the question still is where you feel the load ?

I notice you put links to some basic information which can be useful as a reference,
but we all know if you pass a magnet over or through a copper coil you will generate power.
The type of Coil I would use depends on what's available....The right size that fits the tube nicely.
@All
What I haven't seen yet is a generator or even a motor built like this that can be shown running,
yes I have seen similar ideas that have been posted in this thread, but so far no working device,
until I see that or make it myself it is hard to know how well it would perform.

For the moment it is interesting that no one has fully developed this type of generator,
Maybe it's a complete waste of time, which is the main reason I posted this subject in half baked ideas

It is great to get feedback so keep it coming guys.

All the best
PC

[powercat]

Hi Powercat,

I just got a video uploaded to show the effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBSwhL8s1zc

Great video, that was what I was thinking your description was about, really good to see it in action.
I see there is an effect of drag slowing down the motor.

[DreamThinkBuild]

Hi Powercat,

Yes, there is still drag on the motor you can see in the video when it's right on the coil. When the magnet rotation starts to slow down so does the motor but it doesn't completely stall the motor. There is another effect which the magnet is acting as a free floating gear so we have 3.5" gear to 1". The magnet is actually rotating faster than the outer cylinder, it's hard to hear on the video but as the magnet speeds up it creates a high pitched whine.