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The Paradox Engine

Started by Tusk, November 16, 2012, 08:20:52 AM

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Tusk

Now that I know how to do that (attach images) here's a decent size photo of the device:


fritz

Hi !

Whats the newly discovered principle ?
As long as the resulting effective point of drive (where the integral of the magnetic fields (el+stat) interact) - is not exactly in the neutral position (main hub bearing point) - energy will be transfered from the rotating disc to the mounting cw/ccw on accelerating/braking.
Due to an electrodynamic effect - this point of drive change with speed and load.
Thats somewhat same as transfer with an 2nd order oscillation.
The losses for this transfer are determined by the bearing friction and dynamic bending.....

rgds.

Tusk

Hi fritz, good to see someone kicking the tyres and asking questions.

You are correct in your assumption that positioning the drive point over the exact centre of the system is difficult, however any reasonable error in this placement creates such an extremely short moment arm that it has little effect on main rotor motion.

QuoteWhats the newly discovered principle ?

Having not yet exhausted my search of the literature there can be no claim, but as stated earlier in the absence of evidence of prior knowledge there was little choice but to formulate my own rule in order to advance the research. The rule itself having already been stated perhaps I should expand on the concept in the interest of clarity. The simple pendulum demonstration in my OP clearly shows a duality of motion on one side (of the impetus) yet a singular linear motion on the opposite side which is replicated in the motion of the rotating mass. If we were witnessing two bodies simply moving thus with no rotation we would be forgiven for making the assumption that no further motion were possible as a result of the impetus event, since we allow that motion represents kinetic energy and without prior knowledge might easily expect no further energy could manifest.

Nevertheless the duality of motion does manifest, and while the rotation itself is no surprise the preservation of linear motion (insofar as the linear motion applies on the pendulum apparatus) seems at first somewhat paradoxical. Yet if we examine the process in terms of momentum it becomes clear that the linear motion must be preserved else we would be in breach of conservation of momentum.

In short, the pendulum demonstration challenges our perception of Newton's third law. In fact there is no breach there, rather a fundamental annex to the known phenomena. Mass in motion across the threshold from a single frame of reference (in this case linear motion) to two frames of reference (linear + rotation) must by the example of nature manifest in both frames of reference each independent of the other. There can be no loss of energy in the linear motion. Equally the motion of rotation must manifest in accordance with the moment of the applied force.

Thus the paradox, resolved on this occasion only in acceptance of the fact.







Tusk

As always there are other arrangements of the elements involved here, one of which at least may shed more light on the essential certainties in need of recognition for any thorough understanding. The following simple thought experiment may be of some assistance.

Allow two disks mounted in plane on bearings at opposite ends of a single frame each by the axis:  O=O

Allow also a drive system mounted near the centre of the main frame capable of accelerating both disks so as to cause them to rotate in opposite directions in equal measure.

Presuming that the experiment takes place in equilibrium we can assume two possible outcomes; either

1. The device will accelerate in the opposite direction of the applied force or
2. The device will remain stationary

Since outcome 1. suggests a breach of Conservation of Momentum we would assume outcome 2.

Since outcome 2. suggests a breach of Conservation of Energy we would assume outcome 1.

Thus 'blood must be spilled'. I can offer no further solace than to admit my own trepidation at first sight of this monster.   










Tusk

Just adding a link to an earlier thread which features a concept most helpful with the apprehension# of the main thesis (for anyone who missed it).

#duality of meaning appropriate here also.

http://www.overunity.com/13079/the-pendulum-bias-paradox-experiment/#.UK8E92fp5Qw