The Paradox Engine

[telecom]

First in reply to this from telecom:



With the rotational condition the point of force motion is of course greater (than the linear only condition) when the resultant linear motion is allowed to manifest. Thus the PE apparatus, which demonstrates one method of overcoming this problem by frame of reference manipulation (another method for advancing point of force motion at little or no cost is EM switching, as with a rail gun).

So at this point we finally manifest two forces for the cost of one, along with the consequent motions. Unfortunately the dynamics of the device are apparently so convoluted, and the phenomena involved so unconventional and poorly understood, that the significance and veracity of the concept becomes unclear at best, and downright laughable for those prepared to venture an opinion after a brief scan of the basic principles and conclusions.

These results make me perplexed, to say the least, but as someone said, facts are the stubborn thing.
After all, nobody really knows what the electricity is, but now can't live w/o it ! So, in your apparatus, Tusk,
you are applying EM pulses towards the disk off centre, and by doing it, you generate two equal motions, one linear
of the centre of mass, which is the axis of the disk, and another rotational, getting two for one.The linear is being converted also into the rotational about the centre of the rotating arm. Nobody limits us by using only one disk, you can put 10 disks if you wish,
and each one should generate twice the input. Am I correct in this observation?

Hi webby1, can you please explain how your force multiplicator works in more details, would like to know more about it.
Best regards.

[telecom]

Hi webby1,
I meant your mechanical rectifier, and its application towards the Tusk's device.
regards.

[Tusk]

There is a small problem with this idea webby1:

The second ring of induction coils goes around the larger circle described by the outside edge of the disc as the arm rotates, this is the regenerative system.

I did already look at this since (as you observed) the resistance from the regenerative braking will create a rotor arm rotation in the same direction as the applied force from the EM drive unit, but with the disk rotation going in the opposite direction the energy in the system is tending to cancel itself out. In other words, the magnets embedded in the disk might actually pass over the outer ring of induction coils with virtually zero velocity other than the radial motion as both their disk and rotor arm radial directions lined up additively.

If the rotor arm were geared to significantly reduce rotation rate this would be much less of an issue, so yes the idea has merit.

[Tusk]

lol webby1, you are starting to get ahead of me; no doubt your mechanical engineering abilities coming into play.

The "faster" motion of change between the magnet and induction coil is in a straight line out from the arm axle,, the disc magnet, from the point of view of the induction coil, is popping over and then back away,, I look at like the teeth on a gear set,, they do not have any difference in rotation rate but each tooth face has a fast slide in and out of the valley of the other gear.

I'm not so sure about this. I would have thought the optimum arrangement would be to have the disk magnets racing over the induction coils as fast as possible. Your point that recovering the energy at a lesser rate still allows a full recovery is doubtful to me. That may be so with a strictly mechanical (and frictionless) system but with EM induction isn't it all about velocity (i.e. rotation rate)?

For example, I could set up a flywheel and have the axle/shaft function as a geared output, attached to a dynamo. It would be possible I think to 'waste' the stored energy by setting the gears to a low rate of rotation, with the dynamo turning slowly; or turn the dynamo rapidly and generate a useful voltage. Theoretically the same energy is recovered but from a practical viewpoint the low voltage recovery is less useful. This may be a case of poor knowledge/interpretation of electrical theory on my part, but that is my understanding.   

the resistance from the regenerative system does not have a "direct" negative feedback,, so the disc could spin and the arm could rotate with only a small slip angle over the coils,, yes smaller output but then it just spins down for a longer time

I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'the small slip angle over the coils', you lost me with what I assume to be an engineering term. It would seem however that you have managed to navigate through the material without losing your bearings, and now have a fairly thorough grasp of the thing; which probably means that much of your spare time is spent trying to find the mistake   

[Tusk]

You've given me plenty to think about there webby1 

I will assume that you have used some method to determine the force value of the arm while you are spinning up the disc

Not so much, other experiments with different apparatus were conducted to confirm the equality of the two forces. Unfortunately the PE apparatus was assembled before I had the chance to weigh the various components, but an estimate along with predicted consequent rates of rotation and actual rates suggest that the physics is holding.

in one view the magnet on the disc is moving in two directions at the same time,, it is spinning via it's axle AND the arm is rotating,, this is what I mean by slip.

It comes from flying small aircraft with a buddy that used to be a fighter pilot,, this was years ago,,in a very strong cross-wind he could slip the plane down and onto the runway very smoothly,, seeing the window I was sitting next to heading down the runway and then at the last second snapping the tail around so the plane was lined up straight

Flying gliders (years ago) I employed the technique on many occasions; quite possibly the rather pressing requirement to get it right first time has permeated my approach to other pursuits, thus my caution on this point. Your description becomes more clear, but I'm still not sure about the velocity issue:

this will be a low resistance induction unit to maximize its resistance to the disc magnet passing,, each coil will see many pulses as the arm is bringing the disc towards it, over it and then taking the disc magnets away from it.

As I admitted earlier, EM theory is not my best suit; it sounds plausible but I'll need to think on it more, and probably consult with an electronics engineer. You seem confident with it and appear to understand the issues so I'll accept the premise tentatively while I look into it further. I can't imagine what an engineering nightmare it would be to design a production version of this, talk about the need to get it right... all these options and no precedent. Serious challenges, thankfully my only concern is furnishing a comprehensible and credible proof of concept.