9/11 truth movement topic

[nutekk]

look at this vid at around 7:50 in...
what are those series of f flashes?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5474006551011489413&q

[ring_theory]

yes well I am done with ring theory invading a topic that he obiviously doesn't have any reason to post on except to be an antagonist. Again ring you should just leave the topic alone, you have a very closed mind, flat world opinion on the subject in the topic, and your only goal seems to be to get rid of it. If you want to diminish the experience of some users on the forum by being disruptive, then I find that I don't particularly like your contributions at all. And no longer value your opinion. Had you posted your thought discussed them and agreed to have your opinion and we have ours then I would still value what you had to say. But you have gone beyond that to nearly violent protest of the subject at all, it seems to me that YOU have a problem with it not the rest of us. Its your show Stephen but I feel, as too many times I do, that a mainstream concept is simply trying to quiet a contradictory opinion. And as far as off topic? To me the same reasons those building were attacked (doesn't matter who did it), that war is being fought, that people are oppressed, etc, are the reasons I even bother looking into O/U and spend time researching looking for an answer. I can tell you right now that it is not for personal gain of any kind, because when it really comes down to it, if I ever figured anything out, I most certainly wouldn't put my name to it, I would not try to profit from it. Those are the actions that get you killed.

And on top of that I could find a dozen topics that are not really o/u but are still on the forum, why does this one dig at ring theory so much, what is your problem with free speech ring?

"nearly violent protest"?   I object!  "mainstream concept is simply trying to quiet a contradictory opinion" Now isn't that what your trying to do to me on this subject and my contradictory opinion??? What was the reason those buildings was attacked?? I was thinking it was an attempt to destabilize our economy? My goals are not meant to be disruptive. I'm not seeking for anyone to like my contributions either on this thread or this forum. If you think it's going to hurt my feelings that you don't your sadly mistaken. This thread is disruptive if anything. it would be in comparison to posting OU or free energy things on a 9/11 forum, Off topic. I have nothing against free speech in fact if you havn't noticed i'm exercizing it in this thread. Seemingly to your and others dislike. Isn't it great the power of the first ammendment?

Why cannot I discuss the so called "9/11 truth movement"? I mean really I only see one side to this discussion (those that support it). Where is the objective point of view? Can I not pose it? Can I not answer some of the questions posed? Why because they contridict the general opinion? I have to jump on the band wagon no questions asked? I find the resulting answers within the 9/11 truth movement highly questionable and more like fabrication based on a wanting desire for the administration to have orchistrated it. There is two things i dislike about this thread and information contained within. #1 It is off topic and #2 it is filled with speculative reasoning based on lies, misrepresented observations, denial of facts/contributing factors, and unrealistic comparisons represented as observations. 

[ring_theory]

What happened to the planes and passengers?

Smashed in to buildings... Dead in short.

Well the planes were hijacked (by radical terrorists) and flown into pre determined targets by the terrorists that hijacked them.

Well thats debated, as half the terrorists were either already dead or still alive, many of the other terrorists have still never publicly been confirmed to have boarded the plane. Do you see the problem here. Why don't they show us the airport security cams of people getting on the plane. At least then we would have faces and a manefest. Perhaps figure out how these people who are still alive were accussed of commiting this act. Some closure of some sort... A way to remove doubt that doesn't weaken the country or embolden the terrorists. Just something more than words from an untrustworthy administration.

As for the targets being pre determined your absolutely right about that. Ironicly there were excerises being preformed by the CIA DOD and NORAD involving useing planes as missles to attack... Well I bet you could guess what the targets were. Now this info was either leaked by our defense agencies anf the terrorists took advantage, or it was a distaction counted on by both sides. All that matters to me is the families of the 9-11 victims want a new investigation! The current report is full of holes and you've concieded this point before.

There were NO bombs. well other than the planes. Gravity is what ultimately brought the buildings down with the assistance of fire and debris from planes and collapsing buildings in close proximety. I doubt the BBC had crews in NY to film the event live. so they were depending on pre recorded imagery.

Thats funny over 100 people at ground zero have come out reporting they heard explosions. People recieved phone calls where their loved ones described explosions. THERE IS VIDEO OF EXPLOSIONS. Our opinions on the subject is just that... Eye witnesses saw it! People have it on video! It's in seismology graphs!!! It's not a debate!

Stefan I have great respect and support fully your endevours into overunity. I say BRAVO! However the plea to keep an off (overunity) topic on topic is not becoming of you. I suggest that those that seek answers to 9/11 find them at a site more centered at seeking them. This whole thread detracts from the good we can do here. As well as taking away from researching overunity things.

We were posting video and news evidence.
It only distacted me minimally untill recently.

~Dingus Mungus

What happened to the planes and passengers?

"Smashed in to buildings... Dead in short."

That was stefans question but thanks for the assistance in answering it. 

The lists inaccuracy proves only one thing that the other half were unknown. I agree they should release the tapes and eventually will declassify them. However alot of times these recording systems and tape maintenence or replacement often gets neglected. the result of recording over the same vhs tape several times makes any real definition impossible. They may not have good video to present or make educated guesses at who was the terrorists boarding. the manifests would be a plus but nothing definitive could really come of it. fact is that the terrorists might not have boarded as a passenger they may have boarded as pilot or co pilot etc. I understand wanting closure via answers to your questions and not by the lieing administration either. I respect that but to accept the first answer that comes along that fits the description would be erronious. This is where it would pay to investigate it yourself. By asking questions and think about the answers look over the footage, dig into what you know about the physics of the situation. Make comparisons with simular structures such as the implosion vs collapse. You still question what or that people that survived or heard loved ones explaining explosions. I have tried to explain that impacts and shearing metal sound simular to explosions. Which are plausable explainations given the events that day. 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5474006551011489413&q I watched this video a few times since I started posting to this thread. the one annoying thing is the audio but it may be a redeming quality if we focus on it. I know that explosions were reported during #7's collapse get the best audio you can from it's collapse (implosion?) take the audio and compare it to a building bieng imploded audio track. Don't take my word for it. it wouldn't hurt to get your hands dirty doing a side by side comparison. would it? hell the seismology results could be added as comparison. has anyone did that?

I think a new investigation would be a fresh bit of air on the subject. However would it be enough? Would all the holes be filled? Would ALL available facts be put into the investigation and be focus of that investigation? If the investigators concluded that the collapse was the result of events leading up to it spawning from the original event of planes flown into towers 1 and 2. Would you and the rest of the truth movement accept that? I doubt it! The investigators would be accused of taking a bribe or some other scandle would erupt as a result. And yet another investigation would be demanded. that would cycle untill the masses get the answers they want. unfortunately i believe those would be the investigating team that took the bribe or was encased in scandle.   

[hartiberlin]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5474006551011489413&q
I watched this video a few times since I started posting to this thread.

At 12:22 the girl says:
It was a millitary plane !

So as she was the eye witness, but they unfortunately cut the scene out,
where the millitary plane crashed into the second WTC, at least
they said a few seconds later , that it was not a normal plane but a millitary plane !

So the question remains,
what happened to the original planes and the people in there ?

Was one plane really , as in the movie Loose Change told, was flown
to Ohio airport and brought to a hangar there ?
What happened to the passengers then ?

What happened to the plane, that "officially" went into the
Pentagon ( which was indeed a missile) and the people in there ?

Is there somehow a current video of the allieged terrorists which
are said still to be still alive, so we can verify this ?
Then the theory of terrorists would not make any sense at all...

[Freezer]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5474006551011489413&q
I watched this video a few times since I started posting to this thread.

At 12:22 the girl says:
It was a millitary plane !

So as she was the eye witness, but they unfortunately cut the scene out,
where the millitary plane crashed into the second WTC, at least
they said a few seconds later , that it was not a normal plane but a millitary plane !

So the question remains,
what happened to the original planes and the people in there ?

Was one plane really , as in the movie Loose Change told, was flown
to Ohio airport and brought to a hangar there ?
What happened to the passengers then ?

What happened to the plane, that "officially" went into the
Pentagon ( which was indeed a missile) and the people in there ?

Karl Schwarz claims that the plane was a 737 as opposed to the offical story stating that it was a 767.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3043

I think it was a plane that hit the pentagon, although who could tell from the clipping job they pulled on that video.  The mere fact they took out frames should raise a flag.  The "PentaCon" did a good job investigating the pentagon strike.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5296595694237574426

I think flight 93 was shot down as Rumsfeld says, even though this is a supposed mistake in his speach.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7171005197553914151

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc&mode=related&search=

I find this quote interesting from Bush-

"I was sitting outside the classroom, waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower, the tv was obviously on, I used to fly myself, and I said there's one terrible pilot."  I guess at this school they have tv screens outside..  Terrible pilot? Come on...You would have to be on crack to fly an airliner into the wtc building on accident...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60&mode=related&search=