9/11 truth movement topic

[ahchoooo]

Remember this famous quote?

?...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.?
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, (Sherlock Holmes)

When I first heard of the ?conspiracy theory? on 911 that it was carried out by the U.S. government, I did not buy that. However, I decided to check out the facts. After watching several video documentaries that I downloaded from the Internet, I am now convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is an inside job. The reason, as Holmes would say, is ?elementary?.

Here are a list of ?impossibilities? if the official version of the 911 incident is true:

1. It is impossible for all 3 WTC towers to collapse at near free-falling speed, if the pancake theory is accepted.
2. It is impossible for WTC 7 to fall from a fire.
3. It is impossible for the 47 massive steel box columns inside each of the towers to have ?disappeared? even if the pancake theory is true.
4. It is impossible for the fire to have melted the steel columns.
5. It is impossible for the plane to fit into a 18 feet hole at the Pentagon.
6. It is impossible for the plane to hit the Pentagon to have ?vanished? into thin-air, without leaving a lot of debris such as the engines, chairs, landing gears, wings, tail sections, etc.
7. It is impossible for the plane that crashed at Shanksville also to have ?disappeared? without leaving any debris.

Of course this list is only a small fraction of the complete list of impossibilities, but these are the most obvious ones. Anyone with a high school physics background should be able to understand that. So here lies another mystery for me.

Of all three branches of the U.S. government: the Executive, the Legislative, and the Judicial, even if we assumed that the whole Executive branch is completely corrupted, where is the Legislative and the Judicial branch? Why is it that NO politicians have questioned the official story? Why is it that NO Supreme Court Justices have questioned the official story? Am I really that much smarter than they are? Or is it that they are all idiots? (Which of course that neither is true.) Let us also look at the American pride of ?freedom of information?. Why is it that NO mainstream media question the official story? Where is the ?freedom??

The reason why I brought this up is because I want to raise another point here that most have missed, that may be the American system is ?flawed?. Even with all the ?checks and balances? that were put in place, and the democratically elected representatives, the system has FAILED to see an OBVIOUS LIE, so blatant that it shames the ?emperor?s new cloth? story.

Ahchoooo

[HopeForHumanity]

Thats because were becoming a democratic style oligarchy. Elect the sociopath...

[Elvis Oswald]

Remember this famous quote?

?...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.?
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, (Sherlock Holmes)

When I first heard of the ?conspiracy theory? on 911 that it was carried out by the U.S. government, I did not buy that. However, I decided to check out the facts. After watching several video documentaries that I downloaded from the Internet, I am now convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is an inside job. The reason, as Holmes would say, is ?elementary?.

Here are a list of ?impossibilities? if the official version of the 911 incident is true:

1. It is impossible for all 3 WTC towers to collapse at near free-falling speed, if the pancake theory is accepted.
2. It is impossible for WTC 7 to fall from a fire.
3. It is impossible for the 47 massive steel box columns inside each of the towers to have ?disappeared? even if the pancake theory is true.
4. It is impossible for the fire to have melted the steel columns.
5. It is impossible for the plane to fit into a 18 feet hole at the Pentagon.
6. It is impossible for the plane to hit the Pentagon to have ?vanished? into thin-air, without leaving a lot of debris such as the engines, chairs, landing gears, wings, tail sections, etc.
7. It is impossible for the plane that crashed at Shanksville also to have ?disappeared? without leaving any debris.

Of course this list is only a small fraction of the complete list of impossibilities, but these are the most obvious ones. Anyone with a high school physics background should be able to understand that. So here lies another mystery for me.

Of all three branches of the U.S. government: the Executive, the Legislative, and the Judicial, even if we assumed that the whole Executive branch is completely corrupted, where is the Legislative and the Judicial branch? Why is it that NO politicians have questioned the official story? Why is it that NO Supreme Court Justices have questioned the official story? Am I really that much smarter than they are? Or is it that they are all idiots? (Which of course that neither is true.) Let us also look at the American pride of ?freedom of information?. Why is it that NO mainstream media question the official story? Where is the ?freedom??

The reason why I brought this up is because I want to raise another point here that most have missed, that may be the American system is ?flawed?. Even with all the ?checks and balances? that were put in place, and the democratically elected representatives, the system has FAILED to see an OBVIOUS LIE, so blatant that it shames the ?emperor?s new cloth? story.

Ahchoooo

One politician has questioned the official story.  Ron Paul will investigate 9/11 - I urge all concerned to register to vote and cast a ballot for Ron Paul.

The reason most allow this lie to continue is that they are bought off.  The congress is filled with politicians who have been compromised by their personal lives.  Have you wondered how so many congressman turn out to be pedophiles?  How so many are closet homosexuals who turn to restroom cruising and gay prostitutes?
These people are groomed for office - all they need is something they want kept secret.
But that doesn't account for every one of them.
Some are ignorant, simple-minded people who truly believe they are doing god's will by protecting GWB.  Others know what's going on and are more than happy to help - so they can be part of the ruling elite.
Those who fall outside of these categories are labeled as "crazy" and are ignored by the press.

I thought I would add some comments to your reasons the official story is obviously false...

1. It is impossible for all 3 WTC towers to collapse at near free-falling speed, if the pancake theory is accepted.
Correct.  And the pancake theory was put forward and later rejected by the NIST.  They only claim to include a plausible case for failure of the structure caused by the planes.  They have never given an official plausible explanation of the collapse.

2. It is impossible for WTC 7 to fall from a fire.
Just like 1 and 2 - WT7 collapsed at near free-fall speeds.  While the NIST claims that the impact of the planes, along with the fires could have weakened the steel enough to cause a failure... WTC7 had no such impacts.

3. It is impossible for the 47 massive steel box columns inside each of the towers to have ?disappeared? even if the pancake theory is true.
Absolutely impossible.

4. It is impossible for the fire to have melted the steel columns.
Weakened... maybe.  Melted - no way.

5. It is impossible for the plane to fit into a 18 feet hole at the Pentagon.
The impact should have left two holes - one for each engine... if any at all.

6. It is impossible for the plane to hit the Pentagon to have ?vanished? into thin-air, without leaving a lot of debris such as the engines, chairs, landing gears, wings, tail sections, etc.
yep... and the lawn was untouched.  There was no plane there.

7. It is impossible for the plane that crashed at Shanksville also to have ?disappeared? without leaving any debris.
There was debris - but it was scattered over two miles.  But, yes - people on the scene have said that there was no plane crash there.

[shruggedatlas]

1. It is impossible . . . .

You keep using that word - "impossible."  I do not think it means what you think it means.

Anyway, how about you lay out a conspiracy theory that makes sense.  I have the following questions.

1.  Why crash the planes into the towers?  If the towers were already rigged to explode, why not just explode them and blame the terrorists.  After all, there was an attempt to do this before, and it would therefore be very plausible.  Why do you need planes, which add an incredibly complex level to the conspiracy.

2.  Why crash a missile into the pentagon and pretend it is a plane?  After all, you have already used planes for WTC 1 and 2, so why not use another plane?  Using a missile and pretending it is a plane just adds more evidence to the mix that can be discovered.

3.  Why crash a plane in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania?  What additional outrage does this accomplish, given the fact that WTC 1 and 2 are down and the Pentagon has been hit as well.

4.  Why take down WTC 7?  You have already brought down WTC 1 and 2.  Surely, that is sufficient outrage for a pretext to war.

5.  Why not pin 9/11 on Saddam, at least in one of the attacks?  If the purpose of this whole thing is to give a pretext of war against Iraq, doesn't it make alot more sense to fake his involvement, rather than only Al Queda?

6.  Why not fake evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?  Surely, if the government is competent enough to stage a flawless execution of 9/11, planting some fake nukes or biological weapons is a piece of cake, no?

I submit that it is impossible to construct a conspiracy theory that resolves the above absurdities.

[Elvis Oswald]

Good questions.

1.  Why crash the planes into the towers?  If the towers were already rigged to explode, why not just explode them and blame the terrorists.  After all, there was an attempt to do this before, and it would therefore be very plausible.  Why do you need planes, which add an incredibly complex level to the conspiracy.

A. Good question - The planes enhanced the psychological effect of the attack.  Compare -breaking news at a pile of rubble after the fact- to -the first plane drawing every network to the WTC and every American to their TVs to watch... just in time to see the second plane collide with the towers.  Which one gets you so pissed you want to kill a brown-skinned person?
I wouldn't be surprised if the time between crashes wasn't planned to the minute... and equally surprised if the second plane didn't hit the corner on purpose as well - more fire.
With every American with a pulse traumatized because they saw the crash, the fire, the people jumping from the building, AND to top it off the towers collapsed.... they were ready to brainwash us. Standard Psy-op... same sort of brainwashing they use in boot camp - break someone down emotionally and then build them back the way you want them.
We were broken down and hanging on every word... and every channel was covering the press releases from the government... and they told us what happened.


2.  Why crash a missile into the pentagon and pretend it is a plane?  After all, you have already used planes for WTC 1 and 2, so why not use another plane?  Using a missile and pretending it is a plane just adds more evidence to the mix that can be discovered.

A plane would not have made much of a dent for one thing.  That was a newly renovated wing... it was reinforced with Kevlar.  I think they were testing the structure - or more likely, testing a missile.  Either way - they wanted this to be a clear act of war... so they attacked a military complex.  They needed the missile to do some damage.. and the real-world testing was a bonus.
And of course they grabbed the video of every camera within view within minutes after the crash.  Why do that??  And still refuse to this day to release them?
Rumsfield misspoke on two separate occasions - both times he said "when the missile hit the pentagon" before correcting himself.  weird, eh?

3.  Why crash a plane in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania?  What additional outrage does this accomplish, given the fact that WTC 1 and 2 are down and the Pentagon has been hit as well.

Disposing of evidence.  Two planes are accounted for with WTC 1 and 2.  But a missile hit the pentagon... so there's a plane fill of people to deal with.  You can send the plane to the scrapyard... but what do you do with the passengers?  You could simply ship them off to Syria to be tortured to death... but then that takes time - and every minute is risky, cause these people are suppose to be dead.  So... the simplest thing is to land the last two planes... load everyone into one... and then shoot it down with a missile to avoid any identification of remains.
The debris was strewn over 2 miles.
So why not just say you shot it down?  Why pretend that it was a crash?  Because you get more mileage out of "Let's roll!" than "Don't shoot me with a missile bro!"

4.  Why take down WTC 7?  You have already brought down WTC 1 and 2.  Surely, that is sufficient outrage for a pretext to war.

WTC 7 was the only other building owned by silverstein.  Funny how his were the only buildings to collapse that day.  More insurance, more money.  Greed drives the train.
Besides that - WTC 7 housed alot of information that they needed to destroy.  SEC records for one thing.  It was also the command post for the whole operation and needed to be destroyed for that reason too.

5.  Why not pin 9/11 on Saddam, at least in one of the attacks?  If the purpose of this whole thing is to give a pretext of war against Iraq, doesn't it make alot more sense to fake his involvement, rather than only Al Queda?

Uh... do you live in America?  They did pin 9/11 on Iraq.  Before the invasion, 73% of Americans thought Iraq had something to do with 9/11.  So obviously someone was saying that... cause most people heard it.
In league with al queda... that's something you can say about any muslim nation and Joe Sixpack will be ready to blow them up.

So by having al queda - you can use it has an excuse for anything down the road.  You can do Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc.  If they said it was Iraq - it would have ended when Saddam was hung.


6.  Why not fake evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?  Surely, if the government is competent enough to stage a flawless execution of 9/11, planting some fake nukes or biological weapons is a piece of cake, no?

Different conspiracy.  That has nothing to do with 9/11.     They kept saying they had found them... I bet if you polled people, you'd see that there's enough that think we did... that we didn't have to literally fake it.