The Solution vs Hoax equation

[tinu]

Greetings, dear and respected members.
So, it's just the skeptics posting here?!

@audiomaker,
At least one of your questions has a natural answer imho. I'm saying that because I myself have "found" free energy at least three times! Once it was hidden weak electrochemistry, other time it was the strong EM field from fluorescent tubes above and another time it was when I've replicated a very simple gravitational "OU device" taken from youtube and it took me like 3-4 long and incredible hrs to figure out that I am powering the device not the gravity...
I'm not an actor and I'm bad at lying but I bet anyone would have believed me if I was to go public on those occasions. I am also almost certain I could have easily passed any detector known to man. Thrill, adrenaline etc easily goes well beyond of what I could have ever imagined and once you let the 'virus' spread into your mind it is no longer a lie, it quickly becomes your truth, your reality – the longer you let it spread, the harder is to realize it is delusional...
Therefore, I'd say they unfortunately are not acting, or at least not while they are 'blinded'...

Others, on the other hand, are plain liars. If you have some time to exercise your skills, I'd be very interested in your opinion about few examples that are referenced into this forum. Quite recent cases are Rossi, Romero – to give you just a couple of hardly debated free energy subjects. I'm not saying they are liars as I don't have any solid proof but I am very suspicious about their stories.

One last remark as a side note for knowing each other and for a possible further debate on the subject: all energy is free! When it comes to all forms of energy, we are no more than "hunters-gatherers" (for nuclear energy we are a bit smarter but still there). Can we get to "farmers"? I'm not sure. From Heisenberg and Noether we know energy is related to time. So, to get to the phase of 'farming' energy we need to control time but we barely understand both concepts...
So, why I am here?! I've initially signed in for exercising my English. But I've stayed mainly for fresh ideas and going deeper than that because I believe the chance free energy being discovered is non-zero (although very close to zero). But I also believe that in the actual state of humanity, the discovery of free energy as it is understood by most of us (really free, easily obtainable etc) would rapidly (virtually immediately) lead to the collapse and possible destruction of mankind... Think about it.

Best regards,
Tinu

[Liberty]

Greetings, dear and respected members.
So, it's just the skeptics posting here?!

@audiomaker,
At least one of your questions has a natural answer imho. I'm saying that because I myself have "found" free energy at least three times! Once it was hidden weak electrochemistry, other time it was the strong EM field from fluorescent tubes above and another time it was when I've replicated a very simple gravitational "OU device" taken from youtube and it took me like 3-4 long and incredible hrs to figure out that I am powering the device not the gravity...
I'm not an actor and I'm bad at lying but I bet anyone would have believed me if I was to go public on those occasions. I am also almost certain I could have easily passed any detector known to man. Thrill, adrenaline etc easily goes well beyond of what I could have ever imagined and once you let the 'virus' spread into your mind it is no longer a lie, it quickly becomes your truth, your reality – the longer you let it spread, the harder is to realize it is delusional...
Therefore, I'd say they unfortunately are not acting, or at least not while they are 'blinded'...

Others, on the other hand, are plain liars. If you have some time to exercise your skills, I'd be very interested in your opinion about few examples that are referenced into this forum. Quite recent cases are Rossi, Romero – to give you just a couple of hardly debated free energy subjects. I'm not saying they are liars as I don't have any solid proof but I am very suspicious about their stories.

One last remark as a side note for knowing each other and for a possible further debate on the subject: all energy is free! When it comes to all forms of energy, we are no more than "hunters-gatherers" (for nuclear energy we are a bit smarter but still there). Can we get to "farmers"? I'm not sure. From Heisenberg and Noether we know energy is related to time. So, to get to the phase of 'farming' energy we need to control time but we barely understand both concepts...
So, why I am here?! I've initially signed in for exercising my English. But I've stayed mainly for fresh ideas and going deeper than that because I believe the chance free energy being discovered is non-zero (although very close to zero). But I also believe that in the actual state of humanity, the discovery of free energy as it is understood by most of us (really free, easily obtainable etc) would rapidly (virtually immediately) lead to the collapse and possible destruction of mankind... Think about it.

Best regards,
Tinu

"But I also believe that in the actual state of humanity, the discovery of free energy as it is understood by most of us (really free, easily obtainable etc) would rapidly (virtually immediately) lead to the collapse and possible destruction of mankind... Think about it."

They probably used the same fear tactic when the gas and diesel engine came out in light of the steam engine.

[evolvingape]

They probably used the same fear tactic when the gas and diesel engine came out in light of the steam engine.

On a planet extremely rich in natural resources such as this planet, Earth, the raw material energy processing cost is the primary restrictor, hence centralised control of energy.

Energy in excess of unity, or alternatively, extremely cheap energy at virtually no cost to the user renders this requirement mute and de-centralised.

In such a scenario lack disappears and excess becomes the norm.

True freedom is realised through creative expression and if the cost is zero or virtually zero the only limits are the individuals or the collectives imagination, operating within known laws.

Fear and lack have had their day as a control mechanism, abundance will set humanity free.

[Tusk]

Nice OP audiomaker.

While I have the greatest respect for the achievements and qualifications of others, I put it to you that there are no suitable qualifications for the task of identifying a paradigm shifting concept. By it's very nature and scarcity we are all prone to look past it, with our focus more often than not drawn to the minutia and detail supporting our own reflex denial of the threat to our closely held beliefs, wherein we are more comfortable and secure.

That there are several - if not many - concepts in play which promise OU seems undeniable, yet there are those who repeatedly deny this nonetheless. If I may take one area of interest as an example - centrifugal force - the music of these two words together no doubt already bringing smiles to the faces of skeptics; the so called 'virtual' force, an easy 'take down' even for a high school physics student. So consider this; a simple thought experiment:

Allow two balls in equilibrium, joined by a length of string, each rotating one about the other such that the string is in tension.

Examine either one of the balls; the force preventing the ball from immediate departure from the binary system of rotation we call centripetal. Follow the line of force along the string toward the centre of mass of the system. At this point we are looking for the origins of the centripetal force. We find nothing at the centre of mass except string. If we proceed further along the string we eventually come to the other ball where we find centrifugal force acting as the origin, or parent of, centripetal force.

'Virtual' indeed. Personally, I think any device or concept claiming to achieve OU as a result of manipulation of centrifugal force might be worth a second look, since the physicists seem to have dropped the ball on this one.

Skepticism is a useful tool, but if we only look for one specific result we will only ever see that result. The universe is so much larger and more complex than any one of us; there can be no possible claim made against us for not knowing, or even seeing all of it. But if we can enhance our view, and take even one more step along the road to understanding, then why would we allow our personal preconceptions - or those of others - to prevent us doing so?

Please take a look at my own offering: 

http://www.overunity.com/13102/the-paradox-engine/#.ULaWPGfp5Qw

[evolvingape]

You are analysing each ball in isolation, an error, you should be examining the system forces which balance hence system stability.

Assuming no elastic or plastic deformation of the tensile string the forces are in balance, the centripetal force of each ball is in balance with the centrifugal force of the other ball, rotating about a Lagrange point, hence a stable system.

A prime mover force is required to initiate movement which is input energy. Losses or work done will mean an eventual decay of energy in the system without further prime mover input.

I see no value in the system for performing useful work, but nice model.