The Solution vs Hoax equation

[Tusk]

The material manifestation of that vast body of knowledge which surrounds us in our structures, transportation, communications, medicine and resource management, has at it's core the fundamental principles of nature, typically uncovered at great cost to those very few in possession of particular talents crucial to completion of their specific task.

Put another way, but for a surprisingly small number of gifted individuals throughout history, we would to this day be a species of simple hunter gatherers.

Almost without exception each of those innovators, theorists and inventors suffered the scorn, skepticism and often wrath of the very people for whose advantage their work was undertaken. Almost without exception at each new leap forward crowds of those resistant to change assembled and stood guard at the threshold of the new technological dawn. Almost without exception superstition, fear and disbelief gave way to a new perception of reality and the crowds dissolved, their names and faces lost to history.

And again, in virtually every case, where one individual succeeded a thousand more failed in the attempt. Thus nature ensures eventual success, and there is little to separate the one from the thousand save success itself.

[tagor]

I'm guessing this one is a fake too?

and this one ?

[TinselKoala]

Still watching...

It will take a little time for me to find the articles disproving all of those, or can I assume you are giving example of fully disproved devices?

Well there are differences of opinion. Some are soundly disproved (Mylow and his twin brother) , some are educational toys from one website ( the Calloway Gate and the magnet-ball-wheel) some are still undebunked but almost certainly hoaxes (the mylow-like motor powering the fan, turned by the box in the guy's hand), some are most certainly frauds (fat people are harder to kidnap)  and so on. But every one of them has been completely believed in, and even Mylow still has a following of believers.
The point was to address your puzzlement: why would anyone do these things, they are a lot of trouble for sure, nobody would really go through that if it wasn't real.... so some of them must be real. It's an attempt to show the flaw in that line of reasoning. You would be flabbergasted at the effort some people will go through. Ask any stage magician or card manipulator what they have to do to pull off even the simplest illusion.
Also to point out that you see what you want to see a lot of the time. Almost every one of the videos I posted have "tells" that reveal that they are faked effects. My favorite one is the Mylow one. There is plenty of material there for your voice analysis! I also like this one because of my history with it. Several other people noticed the fishing line drive by sophisticated analysis of the videos, but at the same time and independently, I figured it out as a possible way of doing it and so I did it. I made the "official" first replication of the Mylow drive for Sterling Allan's challenge award.... and he acknowledged my priority.... but he refused me the award because my motor wasn't overunity.... even though it used exactly the same drive method that Mylow used. Think of the irony!

No, I just have a few of my favorites compiled on my YT channel so I looked there first.  There are some present cases that are not "fully disproved" that are quite significant. Andrea Rossi and the E-Cat, for example; Mister Wayne and the HydroDifferentialPressureExchange system still has many faithful believers; heck, people are still trying to build Bessler's wheels so they must think that device hasn't been completely disproved.

So.... I'll stop posting my favorites, and let you find some that you think fulfil your criteria, and then I'll let you know what I think the story might be. But really... I cracked up when I saw the reposting of the Brady video. Not too many of the Free Energy fakers actually wind up in jail, but nobody deserves it more than Brady.

[TinselKoala]

These are the only motors of a permanent magnet nature that I can say are not a hoax, because I built them.  Here are four motors that actually function.  They use permanent magnets in the rotor and stator with no internal coils in the rotor and an actuator for power assist.  The dual rotor can be made very efficient (70% or perhaps much greater with modification of design).  They are of my own creation.  Here is the link to one of them that just started up and is accelerating up to about 1800 rpm:  http://youtu.be/obOezFhbO9s

At the top of youtube link, you can find other motor links.  Or go to web site Http://www.dynamaticmotors.com
These motors actually use permanent magnets for output torque (and therefore don't need to be powered all of the time) and some of the actuator input also adds to a portion of the rotation.

Liberty

You are not claiming that your motors are overunity, are you? Your motors do need "actuators".

Variations of these motors are calculated to exceed 100% electrical efficiency.  Interested investors can visit web site.

Well... so you are, and you are soliciting investment based on your claim of "calculated" overunity efficiency.  Can you support your claim with evidence?

[TinselKoala]

Well, obviously there are lots of them.

I'm guessing this one is a fake too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF0JvC10edw

I watch this video and think "Who the "F" builds something like this and puts it on YouTube if it's a hoax, easily debunked fraud, or if it doesn't actually work???".

Keep in mind, I have no claims to if any of these work or not.  What I will claim is how surprised I'd be if none of them did, and amazed at the resources that went into building them for whatever reason other to obtain their stated goal, and the sheer number of people with that goal who might decide once it didn't work, to claim it did.

That would be (or perhaps is) quite perplexing.

Right?

Troy Reed,l like Thane Heins and many others before them, has "discovered" an interesting arrangement and some interesting effects. He belongs in the category I mentioned at the top of the thread: he is sure he's right because he's had a dream or vision or divine revelation, and he's seen some effect that he's interpreted through his rose colored glasses.  Sure, people do debunk them all the time, but it doesn't stick. Are you familiar with the story of Steorn and Orbo? It's a hoot and is still going on. They found a really interesting red herring effect some years back, alleged that they could make magnet motors that _didn't need_ any "actuators" and would just run themselves. They rented an exhibit space in London and exhibited simple magnet motors that did NOT run..... at all...... and blamed it on the hot lights. They paid lots of money to bring visitors over the ocean to see them! Then that motor design disappeared and they produced another, electrically powered design that had the best red herring yet: the variable inductance core effect motor, that worked not by increased attraction "on the way in" but by reduced attraction "on the way out".... and they claimed that this thing would recharge its own battery, run on a D-cell, and even heat up its coils for free, making 3 times the energy put into it, and when run backwards would destroy energy. They had a live internet streaming demonstration of these things to much fanfare. The Waterways Steorn demo was amazing -- they showed motors that ran down, motors that froze their reed switches, motors that needed 12-volt car batteries to run, motors that had NO OUTPUT SHAFT AT ALL so not even their torque could be measured.  They never showed a battery recharged nor a motor that ran without power supplied to it.  Millions of dollars these people spent. Yet today there is no Orbo of any kind and Steorn is trying to sell overunity on-demand home water heaters. I kid you not.