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The Solution vs Hoax equation

Started by audiomaker, November 27, 2012, 02:20:51 PM

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evolvingape

*sigh*
Quote from: Tusk on December 02, 2012, 08:27:45 AM
Perhaps you missed the graph showing clear potential OU of the main disk (not even considering the motion of the main rotor).

Or are you suggesting that a bench mounted disk driven by this method has losses other than EM and mechanical inefficiencies such that energy in does not correspond to the kinetic energy of the rotating disk?

One graph does not a data set make, especially when making extraordinary claims. I have not posted in your thread as I have no desire to discuss physics concepts with someone who does not understand physics. Been there, done that, not doing it again.

Quote from: Tusk on December 02, 2012, 08:27:45 AM
Do you have data to support this?

That is my opinion, not a claim requiring supporting evidence. If you want data in support of that opinion have a read here, it is fairly convincing:

http://www.overunity.com/13102/the-paradox-engine/msg346668/#new

Quote from: Tusk on December 02, 2012, 08:27:45 AM
Under the circumstances I look forward to your continued lack of interest.

Agreed. Maybe now you will stop pushing your extraordinary claims, unsupported by relevant data, in alternative threads to your own.

Tusk

QuoteThe solution to Tusk's problem is just as I have said earlier. When you have reliable repeatable data that indicates an anomaly, then you camp out in the graduate commons of a major research university, with a pitcher of beer and your device on the table.

It's a good idea in principle TK, but in my case not practical for various reasons. As it happens this forum was not my first choice for public release. But it is a reasonable one. Since you have made it clear - from the point of view of an OU skeptic - that you dismiss any concerns about vested interests taking action against OU inventors, you would be unlikely to understand the cautious approach associated with such a disclosure.

However you will allow (I assume) that these concerns do exist, if misplaced; in which case you must also allow their impact on the disclosure process. A full and open release of material on a forum such as this at least places the work in the hands of those (supposedly, although I see no clear evidence so far) dedicated to investigating such matters and advancing the science. In addition, once released there is very little point in persecution of the inventor, unless of course the material is being ignored or dismissed as unworthy out of hand, as in my own case.

So you might then allow that a philanthropic inventor having an invalid claim (since you allow no validity) yet believing completely in it, and misguidedly supposing his invention threatens 'big oil' posts here notwithstanding a real fear of the consequences, which the typical response does little to alleviate.

Apologies if this isn't a 'feel good' moment for you.

   

Tusk

@ evolvingape

Progress, in terms of new concepts, can occur as the product of an obscure line of investigation in a laboratory (such as various quantum phenomena) or as the result of an individual gaining an insight into the fundamental nature of a common circumstance which was previously not even given consideration (such as Newton with gravity).

In the interest of further understanding allow that up to this time no such knowledge of gravity has yet come to light, and poor old Sir Isaac (perhaps knighted for some other enterprise) pops in here to announce the inverse square law and a basic outline of his gravitational model. While no data has yet been collected, he explains that for a man of his age (370 give or take) and financial disposition (the knighthood doesn't come with an annuity) he thinks it best to pass on his findings post haste to a community with an interest in such matters.

Presumably this fantasy needs no conclusion; there are things that go unseen for many years, generations even, before someone looks in the right way. The fact that one person (or even a multitude) cannot see something is not sufficient evidence that it does not exist. The fact that only limited data is available, likewise.
     

Liberty

Liberty

"Converting Magnetic Force Into Motion"
Liberty Permanent Magnet Motor

Tusk

QuoteIt is also prudent to understand what a "claim" is:  http://inventors.about.com/od/definations/g/claim.htm

Useful link Liberty, for those interested in protecting their ideas under patent law.