New guy with SMOT questions

[sknoxmn]

I enjoy listening to the critics. Sometimes they have pretty sound logic for the specific area that they are talking about. Other times, they know almost enough to be dangerous. (I happen to know even less than that myself)

One guy had posted something about so many people trying this over so many years that it just can't be done.  Reminds me of the "partner" to the guy that started the US patent office. When he said, why would we do that? Everything that can be invented already has been invented.

I think that sometimes other people pointing out the things that have failed just saves the rest of us "tinkerers" a lot of time. Or it causes us to see the problems and tear it apart bit by bit until we solve each piece then put it all back together.

What we have seen is ramps that drop a steel ball, we have seen them angled, we have seen them flat. With "deflectors" to move the ball away (roll away) we have even seen "The Scoop" whish I happen to like a lot personally. What we haven't really seen is anyone getting the ball to "load".

Some work on the magnet array and adjust the ramp to suit, others build a ramp then adjust the magnets to achieve that angle. Some drop the ball and roll it away, some like to make circles.

I think that this maybe needs to be looked at differently in order to solve it. and Im certain at some point at least one other person has (if not hungreds of them) So I am working on just making the ball do its thing, not trying to disprove any universal laws or power my house.  As much as I hate the term SMOT since we can't get higher than 1. I would like to just build the Simple Magnetic Toy using the energy it already has from the magnets.

I think I'll call it SMUT!  Simple Magnetic Unity Toy. I like that. I'm going with it.

-S

[TinselKoala]

And what you'll wind up with is a bunch of SNOT.
(Simple non-overunity toys.)

[happyfunball]

What we have seen is ramps that drop a steel ball, we have seen them angled, we have seen them flat. With "deflectors" to move the ball away (roll away) we have even seen "The Scoop" whish I happen to like a lot personally. What we haven't really seen is anyone getting the ball to "load".

The only 'loading' you can get is the initial input of energy involved with placing the ball in position. That energy will be conserved. Neither magnets or shielded magnets or gravity or springs contribute any recoverable work to the system.

[sknoxmn]

Yeah, by building the device I guess the energy spent isn't wasted but conserved with regard to unity because the tools and wood didn't come together themselves after a supernova.

Generators aren't as efficient as the claim either because some spent energy to turn the switch that energy wasn't considered when it was rated I'd bet.

And I'm pleased that there won't be any recoverable energy because that's not the goal

[happyfunball]

Yeah, by building the device I guess the energy spent isn't wasted but conserved with regard to unity because the tools and wood didn't come together themselves after a supernova.

Generators aren't as efficient as the claim either because some spent energy to turn the switch that energy wasn't considered when it was rated I'd bet.

And I'm pleased that there won't be any recoverable energy because that's not the goal

Perhaps the word should be 'usable' energy. Lifting the ball and placing it at the beginning of the SMOT is the only loading you're going to get. Nothing you can do will crate a continuously running SMOT device. If you spring load the ball and fire it up a curved ramp in  a way that it falls onto it's original starting point, I suppose you could claim you 'looped' it. But we know it's really no different than picking it up and dropping it.