1850 Watts free energy power ? New GEGENE circuit by JL Naudin shows COP = 2.8

[frankidel]

There is a link in post#94 - I added that link so people could see how to measure it. Have a read, if any of it is confusing so let me know and I will do my best to answer your questions.

If you have a better way of measuring it with accuracy do post it.

MBM.

Eille le singe, ce qui est drole cé quand une personne a une bonne idée, elle fonctionne et voilà que les singes arrivent en ville.......

[Madebymonkeys]

Eille le singe, ce qui est drole cé quand une personne a une bonne idée, elle fonctionne et voilà que les singes arrivent en ville.......

The monkeys were already in town...taking bad measurements with $10 power meters!
Stop trolling and add something useful maybe?

[JouleSeeker]

Madebymonkeys -- thanks for the pointer to the WT1800.

Are you saying that the Gegene will show WILL DEFINITELY show more input-power usage when measured by the WT1800 or equivalent, than when measured by a standard (utility-provided) power meter?

(Referring to a utility-provided power meter, not a "cheap" power meter such as the kill-a-watt meter)

[Madebymonkeys]

Madebymonkeys -- thanks for the pointer to the WT1800.

Are you saying that the Gegene will show WILL DEFINITELY show more input-power usage when measured by the WT1800 or equivalent, than when measured by a standard (utility-provided) power meter?

(Referring to a utility-provided power meter, not a "cheap" power meter such as the kill-a-watt meter)

It depends on a number of factors such as whether the utility meter expects the items in the home to adhere to the law or 0.9 or better PF. Outside of this range all bets could be off.

In short, what's the measurement accuracy/resolution of the utility provided meter and can it measure PF outside of legal limits (or will it bottom out at 0.9)?

In short, I don't know for sure what the readings will be with more accurate gear but as a first step I would remove the grid tie and use a resistive load - an incandescent bulb is a good, high-PF load.
Oh, and characterise the hob on its own prior to connecting to other things - get a feel for its PF.

I am about to leave the house but will try and draw a pic of where to measure etc as well as outlining the uncertainties in the measurements - none are 100% accurate.

I am a skeptic (as you probably know) but I am knowledgable on some things. I have made too many measurement errors in the past to let others do the same!

Alternatively, pay a $100 or so and visit a local test house - they should have the right gear for measuring power quality. JLN should have done this before making big claims!
Making big claims only to have them proven incorrect really batters credibility - best to be as sure as possible first!

[crazycut06]

How about looking at the meter base when the induction cooker is in use with the load, try to count the power within minutes used, then do the same with the halogen lamps only and see if theres any difference on consumption, then calculate for efficiency... Maybe easier to clarify than using a watt meter?