Electron Reversing Device

[tinman]

tinman,

So you're back to the meters, ok.

Why did you move the coil connection? Does it not produce similar results with it connected to the high side above m4?

ETA: I'd be curious also if you could replace the two LEDs with diodes and achieve the same effect. In addition, will any other "standard" air-core coil produce a similar result?

I will try the diode's and different coils tomorow.
I do have a couple of primaries and secondaries out of some mots.
I also have some air coils from some old pulse motor builds.

So i'll give them a try,and see what happen's.

[e2matrix]

I'm not sure if this has been considered yet but LED's can produce a current depending on the amount of ambient light striking them.   They can actually act as a sort of solar cell.   I'm not sure they would produce as much extra as you are seeing but this scenario could be quickly eliminated by doing a test in the dark and only using a small flashlight to observe the meters. 

[poynt99]

A neat video from a serious "Tesla" coiler, on how to make one form of pancake coil. This guy has a veritable historical coil museum in his house!

tinman, how did you make yours?

Interesting commentary he has at the 44:20 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiCoYs-ojO0

[poynt99]

tinman,

I suspected this had a fairly straightforward explanation, so I PSpiced this up and found what I believe explains the results you are seeing.

Per the schematic, I substituted diodes for your LED's, and used a simple air-core inductor with some small parallel capacitance. I set the FG to a frequency (40kHz) that appears to be a sub-harmonic of the coil's resonant frequency, as you can see by the inductor's current wave form.

On the schematic, you see a green and red current probe, and on the scope01 you see the average of each reading. The average current in the "output" side is a full 75% higher than what the "input" side is reading.

You may recall that voltages and currents can be greatly amplified in resonant tank circuits, and I believe that is what we are seeing here. The amplified current is being reflected in the output side diodes as they form a secondary loop with the inductor/capacitor tank.

Although the current may be greatly magnified, the power or energy is not, due to phase changes between the voltage and current through the output diodes.

So I would say that we've just confirmed a tank circuit can be used to amplify either voltage or current, and that this can catch us sometimes.

Anyway I might be wrong, but to my mind, if I can show something similar using PSpice, there can't be anything too exotic going on.

.99

[e2matrix]

I've said it before and I know you don't like to hear this but Sims are only good for the known.   What we are seeking and what may be going on here is the unknown.  Something new.   While a sim may explain what's going on here I don't like to think someone will stop experimenting in the real world with a circuit just because a sim says there can't be anything out of the ordinary there.   Just my short rant in case anyone is considering limiting their thinking a sim