Electron Reversing Device

[tinman]

.99 Quote:
Although the current may be greatly magnified, the power or energy is not, due to phase changes between the voltage and current through the output diodes.

Dosnt this some how say ohm's law dosnt apply here?
The other thing is,if there is no extra power,why do the LED's get brighter?
I must admit though,it seems to be the only answer that fits so far.

Im still trying to get my head around being able to raise the voltage over a resistor without the current increasing at the same time?.

[TinselKoala]

Hmm.... I've not been able to reproduce the effect.

I used 1n914 diodes, green LEDs, and in each position where there is a meter, I put a 1 ohm current viewing resistor instead. Looking across the CVRs with my meters set to millivolt DC range, I am always seeing more, or the same, current in the M1 and M2 meters than in the M3 and M4 meters. So I disconnected the CVRs and put the meters in place as ammeters.... still the same. The direct ammeter readings agree with the voltage drop across the CVRs.

This is using my modded oscillator, going from about 1.5 kHz to about 35 kHz.

I have not scoped the waveforms yet.

[poynt99]

I've also done a power dissipation test on the 4 "input" components vs. the 4 "output" components (4 resistors and 4 diodes), and the "output" side is dissipating quite a bit more power than the "input" side. But this in itself does not indicate anything unusual going on, it's just indicating that there is better power transfer to the "output" side components.

To truly get an idea if the circuit is somehow exhibiting excess energy at the "output" side, one would have to account for all power in the circuit, including what the FG is using, and what the battery is supplying.

If the following does not equal 0, then there might be something there:

PBAT - [PFG + P(input side) + P(output side)]

This isn't so easy to do however, but there may be a simpler circuit able to demonstrate the same effect, AND be easy to compute the powers.

[TinselKoala]

A neat video from a serious "Tesla" coiler, on how to make one form of pancake coil. This guy has a veritable historical coil museum in his house!

tinman, how did you make yours?

Interesting commentary he has at the 44:20 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiCoYs-ojO0

It would seem to be very simple to put a hand crank on his platen so he would have an easier time of actually turning it.... and he's not winding a bifilar coil, either, is he? So since it's not bifilar and just a flat pancake coil.... why does he mention Tesla?

Still, interesting video, and it's always nice to see all of those old electrotherapy coils.

Beware of the nonsense and baloney..... but by all means, continue to experiment with electrotherapy.
(insert tongue in cheek emoticon here)

We all have our idols.... and in the final end they all have feet of clay.

[MileHigh]

Tinman and all:

I think that Poynt got it fundamentally right.  You have the oscillator 'tickling' an LC resonator that is the pancake coil.  The LC resonator has the diodes in the LC loop, and they are the primary agents (along with the current sensing resistors inside the multimeters) that are burning off the power in the LC resonator.

The LC resonator is a notch filter, and that means that at a certain external stimulation frequency you get the maximum amplitude from the LC resonator.  When the external stimulation frequency is the same as the natural resonant frequency of the LC resonator (a.k.a. tank circuit) you get the maximum voltage and current waveforms in the resonator.  When your external stimulation frequency is either below or above the natural frequency of the LC resonator, the resonator will still respond and resonate at the external frequency, but at a lower amplitude.

Likewise, Poynt also mentioned that the external stimulation frequency may be a sub-harmonic of the natural resonant frequency, and you should see a similar response pattern to what was mentioned above.

The fact that the LC resonator is a "filter" with different responses at different external stimulation frequencies explains how Tinman was observing different amplitudes as the oscillator frequency changed.

On an energy level, when the oscillator first starts up, at first the LC resonator starts to absorb energy and the amplitudes increase cycle over cycle.  Within a very short time, a balance is achieved where the power being pumped into the LC resonator from the external oscillator is being burned off in the two LEDs.  That would imply that if you replace the LEDs by ordinary 0.6-volt diodes, that you would observe higher amplitudes in the LC resonator.  Less power would be burned off in the diodes, hence the LC resonator can resonate at a higher amplitude to restore balance again.

A simple mechanical analogy is a bell that rings at 1000 Hz being struck by a tiny hammer at 900, 1000, or 1100 Hz.  When the tiny hammer strikes the bell at 1000 Hz you will get the maximum amplitude out of the bell.  The "diodes" in this case would be the hysteresis of the metal of the bell; the metal of the bell gets hot as it burns off the energy supplied by the tiny hammer.

Finally, there is the ever present "cult of resonance" on the free energy forums.  This is a good example illustrating how resonance is "just there," it doesn't bring any special value to the table.  Resonance is just a means of storing energy - the energy sloshes back and forth between the electric field and the magnetic field in an LC oscillator.  It's not magic and it's not a source of extra energy.

MileHigh