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Electron Reversing Device

Started by tinman, January 09, 2013, 06:49:12 AM

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e2matrix

Quote from: gotoluc on January 14, 2013, 11:21:50 AM
Hi TinMan,

Thank you for sharing your interesting effect.

Wouldn't a CMOS version of a 555 timer not be more efficient and also capable of higher frequency?

Luc
Yes - the CMOS version would be much lower power if you want to measure power from the battery instead of output from the FG.  But there is also a super low power timer chip gadgetmall has mentioned a couple times elsewhere that makes even the 555 CMOS version look like a power hog.   I'll have to dig around here a little to find it.  I think you can even get free samples of it from the source.   
Here it is:  Touchstone Semiconductor's TS3001 and TS3002 are the easiest to use, lowest power timers on the planet. Set the frequency with just a resistor (TS3001), or a resistor and a capacitor (TS3002)   Use about 1 volt at 1 microamp.
http://touchstonesemi.com/products/timers?gclid=CKbq8fvG6LQCFQioPAod0iAApQ

I'm not sure though if it can put out enough power to drive what you have here but they are cheap enough it might be interesting to try.   

gyulasun

Quote from: e2matrix on January 14, 2013, 02:12:33 PM
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http://touchstonesemi.com/products/timers?gclid=CKbq8fvG6LQCFQioPAod0iAApQ

I'm not sure though if it can put out enough power to drive what you have here but they are cheap enough it might be interesting to try.

Yes, from the data sheet the recommended supply voltage is 1.8V for this timer so you would have to use an amplifier with level shifter to have the usual output voltage or driving power levels you got used to with the 555 family.
The CMOS version of the 555 (LMC555 or TLC555) is compatible in everything to the bipolar NE555 type, including pin-out too. And their frequency can go up indeed to 2.5 - 3 MHz.

Gyula

e2matrix

Quote from: gyulasun on January 14, 2013, 02:45:47 PM
Yes, from the data sheet the recommended supply voltage is 1.8V for this timer so you would have to use an amplifier with level shifter to have the usual output voltage or driving power levels you got used to with the 555 family.
The CMOS version of the 555 (LMC555 or TLC555) is compatible in everything to the bipolar NE555 type, including pin-out too. And their frequency can go up indeed to 2.5 - 3 MHz.

Gyula
Thanks Gyula,   After I looked at the specs I realized it would not likely work here unless microcurrents are somehow able to tap something very unusual.   I can't find the message thread right now where gadgetmall mentioned this but I think he said he was lighting some LED's with this chip and a 1.2 volt NiMH.   Not sure though - just my vague recollection....

e2matrix

  Posted by 'tika' on EF and appears relevant about the Tesla bifilar pancake here: 
"Electrically, the coil can be seen as a parallel RLC circuit:

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Note that contrary to a series RLC circuit, this arrangement will show a peak in impedance at its resonance frequency. This is due to the dual relationship of electrical circuits, which causes the effects measured on voltages in series circuit to be measured in the currents of the corresponding parallel circuit.

In the series circuit, large voltages spikes can be measured across the coil and across the cap when the circuit is fed an AC voltage. Which means that
in the parallel circuit large currents spikes will exist in the LC loop. Large current in the coil will bring about a very strong magnetic field. This oscillatory current and its induced magnetic field will peak at the resonant frequency, where impedance is at its highest, and thus input power is at the lowest possible for the circuit. Free real power!

It is impossible to measure current inside a bifilar coil, as this is happening on the entire length of the spires. But there is no radiant energy or 4th dimension magical vortex here. Just down to earth great engineering, like all of Tesla's inventions.

Hope this will help understand better why we are seeing this excess power and how we can get even more out of it. I predict that will be at the resonant frequency for the coil."

TinselKoala

Quote from: conradelektro on January 14, 2013, 11:10:45 AM
@tinman and TinselKoala:

May be I am totally stupid, but I do not get the point? What are you two trying to show? In case you have the time and patience, could you explain in layman terms?
If anyone around here is totally stupid, it is not you. You've demonstrated your competence many times and I think you are well respected for your knowledge and skills.

What am I trying to show? Pretty much what I always do when I start soldering stuff together: That as a thing is viewed, so it appears.

That is, I first try to "replicate" (how I hate that word) or reproduce the actual phenomenology, the effects noted by the original experimenter. Then I try to find the reasons that the effects are seen. If there are errors in experimental procedure, data collection, interpretation of results, and/or conclusions drawn, I hope to be able to identify those errors and hopefully correct them.

Along the way, I am hoping to fill in gaps in knowledge: both my own, and those of others.

Especially, if bogus or extravagant claims are being made, I hope to be able to point those out and explain, and illustrate or demonstrate if I can, why and how those claims are in error.

I also am trying hard to use up this 9.35-pound spool of #27 magnet wire that I've had kicking around for twelve years in my lab.   ;D   So far, I've wound several TC secondaries, a bunch of Bedini motor coils, some Tesla bifilar coils, a bunch of JT coils and toroids and etc.... and I still have over seven pounds left !!

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The circuit and your measurements do not make any sense to me. But this is not surprising, because I am not an electronics specialist. I really would like to understand the gist of it and why you get excited about your measurements?

I am not criticizing, I am just curious and confused.

Greetings, Conrad

Well, we are hopefully all trying to figure out what the measurements mean and how they arise. Since these kinds of measurements are often used by free energy claimants, I personally think it's important to understand how people can fool themselves and what the consequences can be. I'm also interested in improving scoposcopy skills and in showing that digital equipment is not _always_ better than analog kit properly used. I think a lot of people using low-end digital and/or computer-based oscilloscopes would be much better off using cheaper, surplus analog scopes and studying how to interpret them properly, rather than relying on the digital "numbers in boxes" that the digital equipment spits out.

Further, as far as I am aware, Tinman hasn't made any extravagant claims about these circuits ..... there is nothing here to "debunk", just interesting phenomena to explore. Some may find this exploration not of interest, boring and old-hat .... good for them, they may know more than I do and don't need to read .99's or MileHigh's excellent explanations or see my dead-bug efforts at reproducing measurements and apparatus.

Finally... I have the feeling that these tests are only preliminary "practice" for something perhaps more interesting to come, and I'm eager to find out what that might be.