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Is this the Smith/Kapanadze secret ?

Started by Jack Noskills, January 23, 2013, 06:01:09 AM

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Jack Noskills

My best result so far is 50 watts in and I got maybe 30-40 watts worth of light out. Watt meter showed 50 watts consumed regardless if there was load or no load. If I crank up the power level it is reflected in watt meter, with or without load. This means that my tank circuit is not blocking efficiently enough.

Seems that toroid shape is not optimum for this setup, I just cannot get the tank circuit to block enough power. So next thing to try is to use solenoid form. There needs to be two separate coils on coil former so they can be moved. One is CW and the other CCW, caps connected as shown in the first post of this thread. Then secondary over both coils. I am not sure if I try this, but I write down steps how it should be done.

1. wind solenoid form coil on a ferrite toroid CW and add parallel capacitor to form a tank circuit. Now you got ferrite and air cored solenoid. Find resonance point and check how much power it can block if possible.
2. wind second similar coil but CCW and connect it with first coil, add series capacitor. Put these on PVC tube so they can be moved easily. Check that resonance can still be found. Check the effect of coil position by moving one coil. There is magnetic interaction between coils and position does matter.
3. If steps 1 and 2 worked then wind secondary on top of both primaries, direction does not matter. There will be capacitance between secondary and two primaries so check that resonance is still there or if it moved. Best option is to use second tube which can be moved on top of primaries and wind secondary coil on that.
4. If steps 1-3 were ok now you can take all the reactive power you got in the primary tank circuit. Power circulating there is a function of voltage and frequency. If there is a resonant rise occurring in the tank then very little current is needed to drive it.

No diodes and no spark gaps are needed, but sinewave input is a must. High voltage is not required for prototype testing. Ferrite is not needed if you can use signal generator and MHz frequencies, air core will be fine. But here I think Q factor of the coils will play important role. I have experience from nanoperm ferrites only.

Can anyone join in and contribute by doing some testing ? Perhaps get some scope shots so we all could learn something ?

Void

It seems your circuit isn't the Smith/Kapanadze secret, as they are supposed to have small power in and big power out, but you are reporting big power in and small power out, which is what any inefficient circuit or inefficient transformer will do. ;)  You can get some different effects by connecting capacitors and inductors in various configurations, but unless you are putting small power in and getting bigger power out, you are not doing anything like Smith/Kapanadze.  :D

Jack Noskills

My point is that it has part of the effect but something is still missing. Toroid is closed looped core and that is why the tank circuit is leaking. When using tube then those two primary coils would not affect each other via core, only magnetically. Then there would be hot tank circuit (CW) which has reactive power and cold series resonance circuit (CCW) which has close to zero current flowing as the tank circuit blocks current flow. As secondary is over both primaries there will be two back EMFs that cancel out. Hence resonance is not destroyed and there would be resonant rise occurring in the tank. If this would happen in the tank then only little power would be needed to maintain resonance. So it would work like Don Smith says.

Or is this too simple to understand ?

Void

Quote from: Jack Noskills on February 06, 2013, 03:06:22 AM
So it would work like Don Smith says.

I have watched many of the Don Smith videos and read through his PDF file, and I don't recall him
saying anything like that. I only ever recall Don talking about pulling extra energy in from surrounding electrons
or something along those lines. Don also mentioned that he discovered how to tap the energy of permanent magnets,
but he was pretty tight lipped about that. Anyway, if you are not getting more power out than you are putting in, it is
not anything like Smith's or Kapanadze's generators. What you have is an inefficient transformer.  :)  Smith and Kapanadze
were claiming big over unity results. First you need to get more power out than being put in. Only then you can say you
have something that is anything like Smith or Kapanadze.

Or is this too simple to understand?  ;D





Jack Noskills

I was not able to make strong enough block using tubes so I changed back to toroid shape.

I was also unable to make strong enough tank using capacitors on toroidal core so I decided to try using coils only. I made two identical toroids, first one is parallel caduceous and second one is series caduceous. Idea is that parallel caduceous passes current without slowing it down and series caduceous blocks it, I am not using capacitors. I got good enough blocking between 3 kHz and 6 kHz. If frequency was higher then tank begun to leak. I used 0.7 mm diameter wire, 0.31  diameter was not good as it started to leak at even at 3 kHz. Secondary coil is the wrapped over both toroids so back-EMF gets into both caduceous coils at the same time.

I got OU now but not too much. I got 12 volt 5 watt halogen on the stepup primary side, output of the audio amp is maybe 5 volts. I get maybe 35 watts of light at the output while the halogen is dimm, my watt meter shows 22 watts. No idea what is the power going through halogen. Next I removed the caduceous trafo and used only stepup trafo for comparison. I tried to use same amount of light at the output and result was that halogen was now much brighter and watt meter showed 39 watts.

Output now affects input which should not be. This is due to unequal coils so that back-EMFs that get induced were not exact opposite, but it is good enough to see some nice results. I should have used capacitors but don't have suitable valued caps so I decided to try a prototype and it was successfull showing a proof of concept that worked.

It is now clear how this should be done, the picture I made on the first post shows scematic but there must be separate cores for the primaries and then secondary that combines them. Coils must be identical and caps should be used. Toroids have poles, I think they should be placed so that there is NS - SN combination.
This will work using tubes too, but I did not have proper gear to make it happen.

If you look at Don Smith's schematics then you will notice that this setup is exactly as Don draw it: two coils center tapped, one has parallel capacitor and the other one has series cap. Except it was reversed in his pictures, output section is infact the input. He put his design out in the open, to crack it you must first understand what is going on and what you are trying to achieve. If you blindly copy you will never get it to work.

If you can take a look, try to accomplish step one: make a parallel tank ciruit that is strong enough to block current flow on the level you can push it. You can use high voltage, but this does not need high voltage to work. You can use ferrite or air core. If you can make this, then you will get OU by adding the second part. Is this just low power or high power I cannot say. I think it is worth a try to check this out to completion, can I get some help here ?