Resonance and HHO

[MasterPlaster]

Hello Paul. By starting this thread you re-ignited my interest in the subject. I have decided to start my research with a clean slate. All I can tell you is Puharich was a real scientist you can easily read about his life.

For the moment I am going to assume he was not doing a psyop on behalf of his handlers. But despite his willingness to divulge his discoveries, no detailed documents are available. In the video I believe he said he had to finalize some issues.

For the moment I am going to take his word.
A significant point he said was likening the output stage of the coil to a Tesla system.

Here is Puharich's patent:
http://www.google.com/patents/US4394230?dq=puharich&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EQ0UUeXYJMWXhQfMv4GQAw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA

Notice that he is referencing Steven Horvath:
http://www.google.com/patents/US4107008?dq=puharich&ei=EQ0UUeXYJMWXhQfMv4GQAw

Also he is referenced by Meyer:
http://www.google.com/patents/US4798661?dq=puharich&ei=EQ0UUeXYJMWXhQfMv4GQAw

So, I think these may be legitimate sources to follow.
I am very skeptical of people suddenly jumping in with false knowledge. So the credential of anyone quoted must be verified.


Some additional notes:
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/puharich.htm

[pauldude000]

37 minutes into his speech Dr. Andrija Puharich is referring to a 22.3 GHz effect created within the coaxial container, so his system seems to incorporate high frequencies as well.

Gwandau

In a harmonic system it should. I would imagine it was rich with harmonic frequencies extending across the entire scale. The problem is that the input frequency determines the power of the harmonics. The less input power in a given pulse frequency, the less power in each harmonic wave pulse. The closer to the main input frequency, the stronger the harmonic frequency. In reality the harmonics are much weaker than the input.


Consider it in this manner. At 600hz with the proposed 30kV and .03uF capacitor with the 13.5 joules available, 225 watts happen with each pulse. No harmonic will approach or surpass this 225 watt pulse. It limits the system. At 60Khz the same 13.5 Joules yields a whopping 22.5kW per pulse, and the harmonics may well be putting out more than the previous 225 watts. You see the issue?


As to the design resonance, the system should be designed to resonate at as high a frequency as possible, yet still remain on wavelength resonant for the goal frequency. The ideal situation is to aim for the goal frequency, and have the maximum of power right on target, but considering in our case a 1/4 wavelength in the picometers, it is simply not possible with what tech we have the ability to bring to the table.


Therefore we have to hit a harmonic as close as possible to the goal frequency, with as much energy per pulse as possible to deliver as much energy as possible to said goal frequency harmonic. That is the tough part which is often overlooked.

[pauldude000]

Hello Paul. By starting this thread you re-ignited my interest in the subject. I have decided to start my research with a clean slate. All I can tell you is Puharich was a real scientist you can easily read about his life.

For the moment I am going to assume he was not doing a psyop on behalf of his handlers. But despite his willingness to divulge his discoveries, no detailed documents are available. In the video I believe he said he had to finalize some issues.

For the moment I am going to take his word.
A significant point he said was likening the output stage of the coil to a Tesla system.

Here is Puharich's patent:
http://www.google.com/patents/US4394230?dq=puharich&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EQ0UUeXYJMWXhQfMv4GQAw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA

Notice that he is referencing Steven Horvath:
http://www.google.com/patents/US4107008?dq=puharich&ei=EQ0UUeXYJMWXhQfMv4GQAw

Also he is referenced by Meyer:
http://www.google.com/patents/US4798661?dq=puharich&ei=EQ0UUeXYJMWXhQfMv4GQAw

So, I think these may be legitimate sources to follow.
I am very skeptical of people suddenly jumping in with false knowledge. So the credential of anyone quoted must be verified.


Some additional notes:
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/puharich.htm

That is why I don't claim to be anyone, as I am not. 


Thank you for the patent refs. I heard of Stan Meyer along time back. Thought it was interesting, but I was working on the Steven Marks TPU concept at the time. A lot can be learned from patents, though much can be hidden with them as well.


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P.S. that is kewl. A friend of mine who does not want to be on the radar piqued my interest in this subject as well back when I was still working on the TPU. However, I was more into electromagnetic resonance and pure electrical effects than what I considered physical approaches, so never applied myself to the subject with any real thought or diligence. It has been only recently that the concept hit me, after realizing the TPU concept was inherently dangerous, that the two fields should overlap. A molecule, or an atom with electron holes in the shells, is just another conductor. Any conductor which is longer than it is wide can be considered as an antenna which will resonate at a specific frequency. Any antenna can be attenuated for 1/4 wave Q, no matter the length.


It breaks down to a mathematical logic problem at that point.


I cannot guarantee to anyone that my approach will work. I just know logically that it SHOULD work. The basic logical principle is not new, and is commonly used for various purposes.

[pauldude000]

@Gwandau


Puharich may well have been dumping more energy in than expected. Thanks to the patent link Master provided, I looked over the patent. What caught my eye was the waveforms he was using. He was using a 600hz AC CARRIER wave. That changes things quite a bit. This carrier was inter-modulated with a much higher frequency.


Wasteful of power if you ask me, but it would work. I say wasteful as the main carrier would still have the lion share of the pulse power. However a significant percentage of the power would also be present in the higher frequency pulses which would increase the harmonic power somewhat as well.


In a way, I conceptually like how he approached it.

[pauldude000]

@Master


I cannot make heads or tails from the Horvath patent. It appears to be a high refinement of a simpler initial device, many of which were abandoned. It appears to combine mechanical and electrical resonance, but that is just a guess. I have no clue, as it is far too complex a system to even hazard a realistic guess.


The Meyers patent tells me he was on to something. Something about the wave-forms smack of a high voltage resonance approach. The pulsed DC would yield high energies. I wonder though how he managed to reduce the inductive reluctance and capacitive reactance in the circuit at the higher frequencies to achieve such a waveform, as both add apparent resistance in the circuit forcing a longer time constant in the P=dW/dt equation.


He would have to neutralize by running the system at Q.


VERY interesting indeed, though I think the "laser" aspect was in fact a red herring. Maybe not, but I think so.


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There is a way to test the idea of "lasers" (what he was actually showing in the patent was leds), or sound, or anything else for that matter. Stress the molecules using ordinary DC electrolysis. Apply the other source of energy, and look for any increase whatsoever in output. Even a minuscule increase validates the concept.