Resonance and HHO

[pauldude000]

As a product developer in the surface coating industry since many years I am well aware of the magnitude of energy easily spent on wrong leads and have learned to regard the quality of rigorous method as absolutely essential when approaching uncharted areas.

Since we are approaching the water fission quest with the aim of using novel low energy keys instead of the old fashioned brute energy wasting force applied through ortodox electrolysis and the like, we have first of all to study and learn everything there is known today about the water molecule, from its three dimensional behaviour in its normal liquid state, to its appearance and behaviour in any of its extremes.


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What I mean is, instead of running ahead in the initial inspiration and start doing experiments and most likely get lost in the massive magnitude of parameters sooner or later making us give up like the rest of the guys who have tried this before us, we should approach the structuration of implementation slowly like a cat moving towards its prey. I know it is extremely fun to start doing experiments, but I am afraid any premature actions just is a waste of energy making us into just another failure in the long row of failures evident before us.


Step one is to define the main parameters to be studied and explored.  What are the main parameters to take into consideration and study?

Below I have some suggestions, but they are far from complete, so I welcome anyone interested in helping to add anything you think is important.


Main Parameters:

1. The three dimensional dynamics of water molecule bonds.  (As far as I am concerned, this is absolutely essential to understand in depht.)

2. The applied set of frequencies and their geometry based upon the above dynamics,  and the possible use of carrier waves.

3. Design of the reaction chamber and frequncy transmitter.


Gwandau

Gwandau, you make some very good points. The concept is a simple one. Either we play to win, or we play to fail. Accidentally succeeding is just that, namely an accident, and does not work most of the time. Now, lets address your parameters you put forth.

1. The three dimensional dynamics of water molecule bonds.

Absolutely. Everything that is known about the bonds could prove invaluable information. I would actually expand the parameter to:


"What is known about the water molecule and it's bonds which applies to electricity or resonance in general, including but not limited to mechanical, electrical, and electromagnetic."


Any information about 'interesting' events noted during studies or experiments are often overlooked and relegated to 'interesting but irrelevant'. All too often these are huge clues. The research should have its focus placed upon resonance, bond strength, bond shape, reaction of bonds to outside stimuli, etc..


However, we can go so far afield in that the project gets buried in research as well, so we need to limit the focus to our approach.

2. The applied set of frequencies and their geometry based upon the above dynamics,  and the possible use of carrier waves.

The frequencies are actually going to be the easy part. Don't sound shocked as this is realistically no different than designing an antenna. Delivery system, efficiency, device design, etc., are going to be the hard parts. I want to keep the design as K.I.S.S. as possible for repeat-ability purposes. (Keep It Simple Stupid) Using K.I.S.S. also tends to keep old man Murphy as far away as possible.

3. Design of the reaction chamber and frequncy transmitter.

This is where we are going to have no choice but experiment. For instance, a resonance chamber may enhance resonance at various frequencies, but kill a crucial one. We cannot ASSUME that any one concept or approach is going to be inherently better than another without actual evidence or at least logical reason.


Until we know the frequencies, the rest has to necessarily be on hold. There should be a different set of frequencies also depending upon the necessary wavelength parameter we find as effectual. For instance, if 1/4 wave is actually (my current guess) the most destructive towards the bonds, then that is the frequency set we need. However, we may find that 1/2, 1, 1/3 or even 2/3 wavelength resonance is necessary, and each will have it's own set of frequencies. I am going to do a workup of ALL these type of resonance, so that we have a list of frequencies available to cover all possible eventualities.


As the molecule has a "V" shape, we may find that we have to treat it as one half turn of a coil.... which changes the wavelength once again. We may have to hit the molecule with a frequency to impart energy and strain the bonds, and another to break the weakened bonds. We may just have to hit it with a sharp pulse at the resonant frequency.


The methodical well thought out approach will definitely provide the largest chance of success. Documentation is also going to be the key. Therefore I add to your list of parameters:


4. Document everything in a lab journal. "Interesting observations", successes, and failures all matter.


Three things make for an "interesting observation". Nothing happens where something should happen. Something happens where nothing should happen. Something totally unexpected happens.

[pauldude000]

This may be old hat to everyone, but I will post it just in case:


275 picometers in length for the extended water molecule. That means that 275 picometers is the resonant wavelength right?


WRONG!


275 picometers is the length of the ANTENNA. There are THREE main resonant frequencies for any antenna.


If we treat it as a 1/4 wave dipole, then the resonant wavelength is  1100 picometers
If we treat it as a 1/2 wave antenna then the resonant wavelength is 550 picometers
If we treat it as a FULL wave antenna then the resonant wavelength is actually 275 picometers


Using 1/2 resonance places all of the energy at the center of the antenna. Using 1/4 places all of the energy at one end. Using full wave places the energy into two nodes 1/4 of the distance from either end. 


To figure third wave resonance is more complicated. 1/3 and 2/3 resonance are inherently destructive, since they are oh-so close to resonant wavelength and just off Q, but not actually resonant with the antenna. 


Here is our problem. Frequency wise there is NO way to approach it directly. Why?


f = c/h (lambda)


where:


f = frequency in Hz
c = speed of light
h = wavelength


The frequency is  1.0902e+9 GIGAhertz (1,090,200,000 GHz)!!!


I do not know about you, but I know of no resonator on earth capable of such a high frequency as 1 billion Gigahertz, or 1.0902 Exahertz. We have to treat it as either a harmonic or as a subharmonic.


We are talking orders of magnitude higher frequency than the shortest wavelength of visible light, in the Exahertz range. In other words 1.0902 X 10^18 Hz which just so happens to be dead center of the X-ray band. Thankfully this is FULL wavelength.


At 1/4 wavelength or 1100pM: 2.7254e+8 Ghz : 2.7254 X 10^17 Hz : 1/4 the way into the X-ray band. I was hoping for ultraviolet, but no go.


Consider buying some lead... (I am not joking. Lead sheet at least 1/8" thick.)


If I manage this sub-harmonic, the device WILL put off some X-rays. Hopefully not too many, which I doubt anyway as the power will only be in the Micro-watts or less so far off of main input frequency. Better safe than sorry.


We are going to have no choice but aim for the high kilohertz range for individual pulse power, but remain outside the magahertz range as Xl and Xc are going to prevent the sudden discharges needed. We have to create one HUGE chain of harmonics, which will create their own sub-harmonics, etc... Whole frequency, as it will still be a beast to tune even so. It will have to be PRECISELY on frequency, otherwise the sub-harmonics will not even be close.


Oh boy. What am I getting myself into?


WOW. Started this post off great, then ended thinking to myself.

[murmel]

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[pauldude000]

The is the resonant principle that Tesla used. It was based upon wave energy at a given point. When I talk about resonance, it is based upon this model. When a quarter wavelength antenna is properly designed to work at Q, the signal rebounds four times in the coil. The energy at one end will first go maximum positive, then to zero, then to maximum negative, then back to zero.


You will notice if you trace the antenna with your finger that it does the reverse at the other end of the antenna. This applies asymmetrical energy charge to the antenna. You should also easily recognize the energy problems with the other antennas. A symmetrical charge model is stable. An asymmetrical charge model is unstable and provides unbalanced localized energy which can be harvested or used, or which will build until something breaks down. In the case of a Tesla coil, the air surrounding the terminal.


Most Tesla coil builders actually design the coil bass akwards. They wind a coil to find out what frequency they want (Always thinking full wave and talking 1/4 or 1/2) based upon the inductance of the coil they just built. They then choose a capacitor, and try to tune the circuit, and wonder why it doesn't produce much energy.


In most cases I have seen, the coil length is designed for a kilohertz use, and it was formed into a megahertz resonator. Tesla figured the length of wire first as a 1/4 wavelength, then wound it on a form to achieve a certain inductance and matched the capacitor/inductance for the design frequency.


We need to think resonance first, then design to match.

[pauldude000]

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