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Free Solid State/mechanical energy

Started by KSW, April 13, 2005, 06:59:25 PM

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barbosi

[EDIT] The picture posted subject of this discussion was removed due to some flaws
Please refer to
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,133.msg24510/topicseen.html#msg24510

The drawing concept I posted (for my better understanding) is a modified version of the original drawing:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=133.0;attach=5577
compared also with drawing:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=133.0;attach=6000
bottom right.

The modifications are:
1. the switch is shown in ON position (for case study)
2. added dots to show and put in correlation the start windings.
3. for symmetry purpose, Primary 2 was flipped horizontaly with its connections, with full respect to the original drawing (also in respect with  second drawing)

I also took in consideration previous statements that all the coils have the same winding sense and "Tesla coils" are identical. Just as a reference, I chose the "start of coils" to be located in proximity of the rotor.

Personaly, I don't see any difference. However, if anyone notice something, please let me know, I don't intend to broadcast missinformation.

However, trying to make sense also with the [constructive] criticism, personaly I see I assumed in my drawing the sense of EMF pointing to rotor. Since this is a mater of winding sense, this should be corrected and also stated as being important.

I'm open to suggestions.

Regards.

PS: Kent, I agree with your point, and remembers me a saying "In the absence of light, darkness prevails".
Having said that, I think Erfinders' point is that each of us interested on his concept, have to walk the walk. It appears important that the discovery has to be done individualy, not "delivered".
The problem I see is not the "darkness", but rather a powerfull light (mainstream teachings) that block (distract) attention from other light sources. On the other hand, The Truth should be said loud and clear and not to be left lurking to find its way out.

Meanwhile, patience is a virtue.
When the Power of Love overcomes the Love of Power, there will be peace.

allcanadian

I think I would have to agree with Barbosi on one point--
"On the other hand, The Truth should be said loud and clear and not to be left lurking to find its way out."

Fundamentally we are given a riddle, the problem is 90% of the people do not intimately understand the diagram or the conventional process, if they build it- they will have to tune it, so right there the failure rate would be huge.
The message is cryptic, it has a theme but there is no correlation between the information and the machine.

Im sorry erfinder but I have seen this hundreds of times and in EVERY case the thread dies, as well there is a definate pattern.
- person discloses revolutionary machine
- Major details and underlying process never truly revealed
- Initial anticipation and hope gives way to doubt and mistrust
- personal attacks begin ****We are here***
- person threatens to leave
- forum members recant statements
- person usually gives ultamatum and disappears- thread dies

To me there is one universal truth outweighing all others.
" A technology not used is a useless one"

No one seems to understand that tesla, schauberger died broke, what happened to there dreams of a better society?. I have come to believe men of knowledge and understanding are a dime a dozen, show me a man who's compassion for individuals and humanity overrides his vanity and he will be my hero.
Knowledge without Use and Expression is a vain thing, bringing no good to its possessor, or to the race.

barbosi

Here you have the second picture with the colours inverted to be more lisible.
I apologize for any missinterpretation of the previous drawing (I'll try to remove it completely afterwords)

Here is a fresh new start for thinkers, is open for debate, the diagram is in the rght lower corner.

Here is the first important question: where is the start of each coil? Specificaly for the "Tesla coils", are the start for both coils on the same side or oposite side?
What do you think? What Tesla would have done? Why?

Thanks.

[EDIT] added references for primaries an secondaries.
When the Power of Love overcomes the Love of Power, there will be peace.

allcanadian

First of all the brushes have moved from pic 1(upper left) to pic 3(lower right)?
I have no idea what tesla would have done, the guy was light years ahead of us.

Here is what I see:
this is a rotary gap dual tesla coil, supposedly a motor

Switch closed:The primary 1-2/HV cap circuit is closed, current flow in the secondaries in series with the battery can charge the primaries and cap with a low voltage. The cores(stator) have a growing magnetic field normally having no interaction with the closed field PM (rotor).

Switch open: The collapsing stator field Bemf on the primaries discharges the cap which more than likely ionizes the rotary switch gap leading to a VAD or spark discharge. This charges the Cap with a reverse polarity first and may weakly pulse the battery. The secordaries will do the same, however the induced Bemf is not the same the secondaries should have a higher voltage.

The rotor PM's field is closed so I can't see the ineraction here, My stab in the dark guess would be that the quickly collapsing field sucks pixie dust from invisible elven faries panties therefore powering the rotor. Sorry wrong guess- the collapsing field interacts with the aluminum core somehow turning the field, maybe ineracting with the pm field, Im not afraid to say I just don't know. Even my best guess(not the pixie dust) just doesn't cut it.
so what I know doesn't amount to much as far as a powering mechanism is concerned.
Knowledge without Use and Expression is a vain thing, bringing no good to its possessor, or to the race.

barbosi

@allcanadian,

While you were posting, I've sent you a PM with my interpretation.
When the Power of Love overcomes the Love of Power, there will be peace.