Free Solid State/mechanical energy

[Trump]

Hum,  Charlie_V,  I know what you are getting at, as I also seen that stated in the patent about the 90 degrees statement, I need to think on the philosophy that you stated a little more. I am glad that Erfinder posted the comment about the web site being down as I sure could not sign on today, thanks again Erfinder. I hope when we get into some of the discussions we all try and help each other and that may align our thought patters a little better. what one person may see clear and the next may have a foggy vision of it until the light is turned on so to speak. I am anxious to get started even though I have been silent for a long time on this site, I have enjoyed it a lot.  I am glad I finally stepped in and got my feet wet. I  hope we all can talk and read and listen, that seems to be what is needed. Charlie I like your demonstrations and you have a good point on how you presented the message. I may not sleep tonight just thinking about it,  thanks !


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Trump

[zaydana]

Hey guys, first post here :-)

I've spent the last few days reading through the topic. I might of missed a page here or there, but i've gotten through most of it.

Upon reading through Patent 464,666, the first thing I noticed is the a huge similarity between tesla's diagram and the one which Erfinder posted in his first post. I can't believe I would be the first person to notice this, but I can't remember reading anybody saying it before. For a start, theres the fact that the "poles" seem to be wound identically. The main difference seems to be that there are more of them in tesla's device.

I havn't really got the background to figure it out by myself, but I also wouldn't be surprised if tesla's device has the same number of "void points" (or whatever they are) in the inner arc shaped coils per pole, as Erfinder's device has (its just his uses permanent magnets). I guess if this turns out correct, then each of those windings would have 5 points, with the edge points shared with the neighboring coil. This doesn't seem to me to be at all unreasonable. I could be totally wrong tho :-)

And, based on the diagrams, I also presume that Erfinder's HV capacitor is equivalent to the condenser that Tesla speaks of? I really have not the slightest clue what a condenser is, so I wouldn't mind if somebody explained it to me, but by their representations in their respective diagrams, they appear to be the same thing.

Of course, the two major differences I can see are tesla's use of AC power as opposed to DC power, and the lack of a rotary switch. Also, the side of tesla's circuit which contains the condenser is not electrically connected to the rest of the circuit wheras Erfinder's is. However, my gut tells me that the use of a rotary switch is related to the use of a DC power supply as opposed to AC.

Either way, I guess Erfinder would not of gone to the trouble of giving us his device if it was identical to tesla's! I'm quite sure tho that if people are having trouble figuring out how Erfinder's device works, they only really need to look at tesla's patent. It can't be *that* hard... mind you, you guys have been going on about it for months now it seems :-p

For reference, see tesla's patent and Erfinder's device

Anybody feel like correcting me on my numerous mis-interpretations of tesla and Erfinder's devices? :-)

[am1ll3r]

This patent that Erfinder also recommends looking into does use DC and a rotary type switch. APPARATUS FOE PRODUCING OZONE

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT568177&id=BrJrAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=568177#PPP1,M1

this may be his switch...

[orosado]

Hey guys, first post here :-)

I've spent the last few days reading through the topic. I might of missed a page here or there, but i've gotten through most of it.

Upon reading through Patent 464,666, the first thing I noticed is the a huge similarity between tesla's diagram and the one which Erfinder posted in his first post. I can't believe I would be the first person to notice this, but I can't remember reading anybody saying it before. For a start, theres the fact that the "poles" seem to be wound identically. The main difference seems to be that there are more of them in tesla's device.

I havn't really got the background to figure it out by myself, but I also wouldn't be surprised if tesla's device has the same number of "void points" (or whatever they are) in the inner arc shaped coils per pole, as Erfinder's device has (its just his uses permanent magnets). I guess if this turns out correct, then each of those windings would have 5 points, with the edge points shared with the neighboring coil. This doesn't seem to me to be at all unreasonable. I could be totally wrong tho :-)

And, based on the diagrams, I also presume that Erfinder's HV capacitor is equivalent to the condenser that Tesla speaks of? I really have not the slightest clue what a condenser is, so I wouldn't mind if somebody explained it to me, but by their representations in their respective diagrams, they appear to be the same thing.

Of course, the two major differences I can see are tesla's use of AC power as opposed to DC power, and the lack of a rotary switch. Also, the side of tesla's circuit which contains the condenser is not electrically connected to the rest of the circuit wheras Erfinder's is. However, my gut tells me that the use of a rotary switch is related to the use of a DC power supply as opposed to AC.

Either way, I guess Erfinder would not of gone to the trouble of giving us his device if it was identical to tesla's! I'm quite sure tho that if people are having trouble figuring out how Erfinder's device works, they only really need to look at tesla's patent. It can't be *that* hard... mind you, you guys have been going on about it for months now it seems :-p

For reference, see tesla's patent and Erfinder's device

Anybody feel like correcting me on my numerous mis-interpretations of tesla and Erfinder's devices? :-)

Hello zaydana,

Welcome to the forum! I hope you enjoy your stay.

I would not classify Erfinder's device because we are still struggling to understanding the basics of magnetism. Until we progress as a group, we will not be able to have a clearer understanding of what has been shown to us.

It seems to me you need a basic course in electronics. Of course most of what is mainstream science is not a good representation of reality, but I think at least knowing the basic electric devices would be a good start.

Regards,
Omar

[Maximumgravity1]

Zaydana,

I think most of your observations were confirmed by Erfinder himself - but I could be wrong as I am going from memory.  I would recommend reading through the entire thread carefully.  I think there is lots of good info in it, and all of it is worth a read.