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Free Solid State/mechanical energy

Started by KSW, April 13, 2005, 06:59:25 PM

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allcanadian

If the primary coils are low impedence the secondaries would be high impedence because of the capacitor. But we have another capacitive coupling between the primary and secondary coils, that is the fact that the primary windings are insulated from the secondary windings, the insulation being the dielectric. Could Tesla have used a purpose built dielectric between the primary and secondary windings to enhance this effect, not shown in the patent but implied somehow?
I think Im going to retrace the circuit and only consider capacitive coupling of the circuit, So does the ordinary transformer use magnetic coupling or electrostatic coupling- or both?
What if we have had it wrong all along?
Im going to have to rethink this yet again, I feel the capacitive coupling aspect is the right direction at this point.

I just had a crazy thought, if the secondaries induce a high electrostatic potential in the primaries, acting like a capacitor-- then the source AC must also act as a capacitor because the generator has windings and capacitance. Can there be two currents flowing in the same supply wires-- together or in opposite directions?
I am finding it hard at this point to tell the difference between a magnetic field and an electrostatic one. The capacitive and electrostatic couplings couple every part of the electrical system as a whole. Damn this is going to take some time to work through this again.
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Charlie_V

OMG people, this is what I've been saying the entire time.  I don't understand why I explain this to you, and everyone ignores me.  Then someone quotes Tesla saying the exact same thing I'm saying.  Do you know the frustration!!!!???

QuoteHere is my Layman's terms for what I think is going on in patent 464,666.  You put the current 90 degrees out of phase between the primary and secondary.  You make sure the self inductance of the secondary is neutralized by placing a "condenser" (capacitor) in the secondary circuit.  This increases the current in the secondary.  The current makes the rotor spin.  Since the phase between the primary and secondary is 90 degrees, power used is returned.  The device runs on unity.

That is exactly what Tesla is talking about.  You place resonance in the secondary circuit.  "The capacitance is made to cancel the inductance and produces a large current" - THATS RESONANCE!!!!!  Yes a suspended plate with the secondary terminal attached to the plate and the other side to the ground is the same thing as 2 independent metal plates in a standard capacitor.  You don't even need a capacitor, just a body that holds charge.  A person, at the right frequency, could act as the capacitor and cancel the self inductance!!!  In the case of the suspended plate and the ground, you are making the earth the second plate.  As long as the inductance is canceled by this capacitance YOU GET RESONANCE OF A SERIES LC CIRCUIT WHICH PRODUCES LARGE CURRENTS TO INDUCTIVELY DRIVE THE MOTOR!!!!!!!! 

Sure there is an alternating electrostatic field between the capacitor connections.  There is also an alternating magnetic field in the coils!  This is NOT mainstream because a mainstream power engineer will tell you that coupling a parallel LC circuit to an series LC circuit is BAD.  Mainstream engineering does not do this because they think that it causes a short.  And for what a mainstream engineer is trying to do, this would be bad on the circuit elements.  For what we are doing, this is putting a "bad" thing to very good use.   Two sides of a coin people, two sides of a coin.

Grumpy

There is a third field - the torsion field and it does not follow the same rules of the electric or magnetic fields.  For the torsion field - length of the conductor is critical - mass and position are critical.  The three fields are 90 degrees to each other and manipulating two will result in a change in the third.  The torsion field is one dimensional and primal to the electric and magnetic fields.  It's possible to combine these fields in ways that fields of higher orders a created with different properties than the lower orders.

Sorry I can not explain it better than this atthis time.
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barbosi

Quote from: Maximumgravity1 on April 26, 2007, 10:30:05 PM

My simple organized question:
How does a condenser act as a filter, and what is it filtering?



Excellent question Maximumgravity1, this inspired the answer to another simple question I had. But first, the answer. Although is not a "chicken makes chicken" type of answer, this is pretty basic knowledge for people working in electric field particularly in analog electronics. I'll try my layman answer though.

A filter is a device capable to pass certain frequencies well, while attenuates (or reduces) others. The most common example is the equalizer used often in audio setups. Some computer based audio applications (real player, etc.) have one equalizer too. Is used to enhance the bass and/or diminish the treble, all according to your wish. However, filters are not limited to audio range of frequencies, it may go up or down many orders of magnitude (mHz - GHz) depending on application. I hope this answers the question "what is it filtering?".

The most common devices used to build a filter are:
- Inductance
- Capacitor
- Resistor

Depending on which components are used and how are connected, you may have Low-pass filters (permits passing low frequencies and cut-off the higher ones), High-pass filters (guess what those are doing) and Band-pass filter (exactly like in an equalizer, allow to pass just a limited band from the whole range of frequencies while blocking the others)
In other words a filter is a device with selective resistance (more correctly impedance) function of the frequency range being exposed to. For the "Pass" it has low resistance (ideally zero ohm). For the blocking region it has high resistance (ideally infinite).

An example of High-pass filter using a capacitor (answering the first part of your question) is in the picture attached. (Source: Wikipedia where you can go nuts with all kind of filters and explanations for further reading)

Now my question was: If Tesla loved so much high voltage AND high frequencies, I noticed it the patent where high voltage was, but where was the high frequency?
I guess the answer is (trough your question) by using a filter, in this case the capacitor H. I think Tesla used this capacitor also with the purpose to enhance high frequencies and cut-off the lower ones.

If you refer now to the second picture attached, the filter is a bit different but reflects the secondaries circuit coupled with a high-pass filter. The beauty is that alternatively, one set of coils (say F) act as "source" and the other (say G) as "load", then they switch the role (G = source, F= load).

I hope my explanation was simple enough.
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barbosi

This server is acting weird. Slow/sometimes no connection. Also with data base. I just posted an answer to Max and after submitting it, I notticed I got 4 hours of reply I didn't have in the first place.

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