Free Solid State/mechanical energy

[wattsup]

@all

I have been following this thread from the beginning but going back and forth from one page to another to recheck information from ERfinder was getting more and more of a hassle. As these threads get longer and longer, information gets lost in the shuffle of all the other posts.

So I put all of ERfinder's posts in a pdf file so people can refer to it more directly. The posts are titled by the page they are on this thread so you can look up any relevant conversations before his post. Funny thing, the file size is only 1.08meg and any time I try to put it on the site, the system says it has altready been posted. If anyone can receive this file and post it, please let me know were to send it.

Here is a summary of main construction details as I could figure out till now. If there are any mistakes, please advise and I will correct them.

Ring OD: 6" based on 22.5 mm inch (are you sure of this or is it simply 6")
Ring ID: 2" based on same (same question as above)
Ring Material: Laminated metal (someone will have to cut this)
Core (1) Solid Aluminum
Flux (4) Neo Magnets comprising a circle
Primary (2): Same weight of wire as Sec. but larger AW.
Secondary (4) 144" @22.4mm/inch = 127.56" length
Windings (6) All in the same direction.
Commutator: 24 poles
Commutator Points (2): at 180 degrees
Rotation: CW or CCW
Revolutions: 135 rpm
Capacitor: with a few pf  @ 1- 4Kv. (What does few mean?)

Two Questions:

Most modern circuit diagrams show the positive flowing out of the battery and the negavite flowing into the battery. But in reality, isn't this backwards. When the rotary switch is open, when I look at his motor design, should I see the negative battery flowing into the 4 sec's, around the primaries (which are reversed polarity), through the cap then to the positive of the battery. Or do we look at this with the current diagramatic mentality. When Telsa did his patents, was he taking for granted that, then, everyone new the negavitve goes out, the positive goes in. Maybe sounds simplistic, but from one way to the other, the function of this motor it totally different.

Can anyone give me the easiest way to make the laminated ring as this seems to be the hardest part to make.

@midnight_blue
is that 1982 or 1882?

[wattsup]

I'll try to post the pdf file here.

[Maximumgravity1]

It is becoming clear that EVERYTHING must be questioned.  Our understanding of how the circuit works, the individual components, in itself, seems to be off track.  The emphasis early on was on the fields - and how fields at 90? can perform work.  In re-reading the first few pages of wattsup's PDF, it is clear that Erfinders device is exactly the same as the 464666 patent - the only difference is the number of coils. 

In short, the reason we are not making any progress is we are not changing our thinking (obviosuly) but what does this mean exactly?  It means we are trying to force mainstream understanding to explain what is happening, only talking in circles around it.  In short, the way I see it, the entire book needs to be thrown out, and reunderstood from the ground up.  We have been told repeatedly that we need to do the opposite of what we have been doing.  We need to use current opposite of how we use it today.  How do we do that?  To start with - how do we use it today?

I don't know for sure, but I see our focus being on what happens within the coil, the wire, the capacitor etc.  I think our focus needs to open up, and zoom out a bit.  The only way we can look at the action at the detailed level we have been, is through theoretical guess work based on mainstream teachings.  Since nobody can see "electrons", we have to assume what they have taught us is factual.  In order to get away from those teachings, I think it is important to not just think outside the box, but think outside the entire building.

The good news is I see everyone actively trying to change their perspectives.  The desire is there, we just aren't making much succesful progress.  It is hard to hit a target that we can't identify.  Maybe the first thing would be to identify exactly what it is this motor is doing.

In short, we are not identifying the CONCEPTS of patent 464666, we are analyzing how the circuit works.  How can we analyze that which we do not understand?  We may understand it in our own worlds, but we don't understand it in Tesla's world.  As erfinder repeatedly stated - WHY did Tesla do what he did ?  The answer is not in mainstream - it is not "in" us - we haven't made this patent our own - we have kept it at arms length through mainstream teachings.

The circuit was drawn the way it was so that it could be seen how one part of the system is related and interdependent on another. What should be observed is how the fields are built up and how they collapse, and where they go when they do! !!!Collapse!!! This circuit is of a motor, the rotary switch should be mounted on the same shaft as the magnet ring. The magnet ring is a mystery in itself, as their is no magnetic field being radiated from it .

Just look at the drawing, trace with your finger how the current flows through the circuit. It should be seen immediately that current is not allowed to travel through the whole circuit. This is where things get exciting. Just look at the drawing!!!

I have not been able to locate where Tesla made the statement about the weights of his primaries and secondary coils, but the following quotes are very important to understanding my diagram and the patents which I suggested.

512,340 - Coils for Electro Magnets
?I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of a given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or in other words, as if it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and the capacity of the coil, the latter quality being capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well known that the higher the frequency
or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction; hence in any coil, however small the capacity, it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured.?

593,138 - Electrical Transformer
?If the rate at which a current traverses the circuit, including the coil, be one hundred and eighty-five thousand miles per second, then a frequency of nine hundred and twenty-five per second would maintain nine hundred and twenty-five stationary waves in a circuit one hundred and eighty-five thousand miles long, and each wave would be two hundred miles in length. For such a frequency I should use a secondary fifty miles in length, so that at one terminal the potential would be zero and at the other maximum."

The first thing that must be realized is that Tesla wasn't using current like we use it today. He was doing the exact opposite of what we are doing today, and because of this he was able to develop a completely different science, a completely different system which the powers that be are using right now, right in our face, no need to hide the truth from the masses since they consider us as lacking in the comprehension department, totally incapable of understanding the simplicity of this technology. They have us focusing on currents, when the true miracle workers are the fields which produce them!!! AWSOME!!!!!

Overunity has no grounds in nature. If an example of it cannot be found in nature then chances are we?re wasting our time looking for it. Our thinking and disregard for nature has gotten us in a lot of trouble, and we will find out how much here shortly! What are electricity, electrostatics, gravity, and magnetism? What do they all have in common? Nature uses these four how she sees fit, and in so doing operates unity. Why haven?t we learned from her example?

Now on to the good stuff!!!
It is known that Tesla used single turn primaries, and a secondary with very few turns. These dimensions imply high frequencies !

This should give us a clue - Erfinders device is a motor - he even told us - that means that his "armature" will spin too.  He is using the option of magnets as opposed to coils.

[midnight_blue]

Quote Tesla:
One day, as I was roaming the mountains, I sought shelter from an approaching storm. The sky became overhung with heavy clouds, but somehow the rain was delayed until, all of a sudden, there was a lightening flash and a few moments after, a deluge. This observation set me thinking. It was manifest that the two phenomena were closely related, as cause and effect, and a little reflection led me to the conclusion that the electrical energy involved in the precipitation of the water was inconsiderable, the function of the lightening being much like that of a sensitive trigger. Here was a stupendous possibility of achievement. If we could produce electric effects of the required quality, this whole planet and the conditions of existence on it could be transformed. The sun raises the water of the oceans and winds drive it to distant regions where it remains in a state of most delicate balance. If it were in our power to upset it when and wherever desired, this might life sustaining stream could be at will controlled. We could irrigate arid deserts, create lakes and rivers, and provide motive power in unlimited amounts. This would be the most efficient way of harnessing the sun to the uses of man. The consummation depended on our ability to develop electric forces of the order of those in nature.

It seemed a hopeless undertaking, but I made up my mind to try it and immediately on my return to the United States in the summer of 1892, after a short visit to my friends in Watford, England; work was begun which was to me all the more attractive, because a means of the same kind was necessary for the successful transmission of energy without wires. At this time I made a further careful study of the Bible, and discovered the key in Revelation. The first gratifying result was obtained in the spring of the succeeding year, when I reaching a tension of about 100,000,000 volts?one hundred million volts -- with my conical coil, which I figured was the voltage of a flash of lightening. Steady progress was made until the destruction of my laboratory by fire, in 1895, as may be judged from an article by T.C. Martin which appeared in the April number of the Century Magazine. This calamity set me back in many ways and most of that year had to be devoted to planning and reconstruction. However, as soon as circumstances permitted, I returned to the task.



Source: http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jul/teslaauto05.html

Regards,
midnight

[samebarbosi]

Dear all,

I still believe many overcomplicate simple things. Forget for a moment Erfinder's motor. Why do you think Erfinder had a fresh restart? Because noticing our reaction, he realized we needed to start with simple things. So he put his motor aside for a while and tried to make you see simple things. So those being part of you own, you'll see others. What are those siple things we should have identified so far?

- BEMF (that thing that kills our transistors when we switch off a coil - and [in response] we kill BEMF with a diode so we save the transistor)
- How electrostatic charge builds. The total charge  = sum of each generated charge.
... and so on. I think many of us thought we are in the brink of most profound alchemy secret and couldn't see the forest for the trees.

Another distracting factor is for sure (more or less in all of us) the need for palpable results. Some of them to be transformed in a quick buck.
Staying to focus on the task is not good either. Myself I ignored Erfinder's advice: sit back, relax... and I've wasted lots of energy.
I'm convinced there are many old habits in my thinking. But the way I see now charging and discharging a capacitor it makes me feel good. I always hated explanations to a physical experiment using complicated formulas. How many of you can write now Maxwell's equations?

I hope somehow we'll be able to keep going. As Erfinder's said, we need to know what to look for as a start point.