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Please disproof this video- it could be a hoax

Started by Hel, February 17, 2013, 07:59:44 AM

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gyulasun

Quote from: Hel on February 18, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
...btw, Gyulasun, I think your explanation may be the most sensate. A very delicate interaction between
relaxing domains and the "feedback" from the closed coil. Definitely no stable or less stable DC.
A pity that the author seems not so interested by the effect he discovered.
Firstly, he should check furtherly the replicability (i.e if the act of opening the secondary coil is more
or less statistically related to the piece falling apart).
Then, he (or anybody else provided with similar tape wound cores) should check with a scope what
kind of current is circulating in the secondary coil (possibly using a very low resistance shunt as I did,
even lower)

Hi Hel,

So you may abandon the possibility of a hoax?  I hope so and would like to add that the check you suggest above can only be performed by scope if you insert a wide bandwith low noise amplifier between the transformer's monitorod output and the scope's input. The reason I say this is that I think the fluctuating but definitely one way current (i.e. the magnetic domains going back to their original positions) can be so small that the mV or some mV sensitivity of a normal scope would not be enough. 
In an another thread member 'verpies' mentioned Barkhausen noise in connection with this phenomena and I tend to think that feeding an audio amplifier with the output signal of this transformer we would hear similar noise while the domains return to their earlier 'resting' position.

You also wrote:

Quote from: Hel on February 18, 2013, 09:08:59 AM
....

But, IF EVEN some remaining current was possible in the secondary, perhaps using tape-wound cores
or other special materials, it would require a very low secondary resistance: i.e any load put there, as
a light bulb, would just cause this current to dissipate faster, increasing the resistance.

....

I agree, to utilize the returning domains' 'energy' would be hard and considering the input power needed to influence the domains in the tape wound core may be higher than what the domains give back.

Thanks,  Gyula

Hel

Well, when I asked to possibly disproof (or even prove!) this video, that it COULD be a hoax,
it was for obvious reasons: any people watching freshly at such a demonstration is induced to
think at first at something against known science. I don't tell it's bad, of course, on the contrary
it would be too good to be true: apparently a room-temperature supercoducting effect or something
definitely related. Well, now after a bit of discussion and experimenting it looks definitely something
else, something more subtle. A pity that I have not such material to check better.

No free energy source here, of course, never thought of that. Just a scientific curiosity.

Yes I already knew about Barkhausen noise from Wikipedia, even if I never checked it. If it's
about something so subtle, then of course an amplifier as you described would be needed.
It would be interesting, at this point, to check the Barkhausen noise characteristics with and
without a shorted coil around the testing core: they surely can be affected.

Bye

jadaro2600

This was interesting, but what isn't shown is the duration which the secondary maintains the magnetic field of the core. I have a feeling that what is happening is that as the domains in this core rearrange themselves into a non uniform state, they are being interrupted by the secondary coil in the same manner a magnet descending down a copper tube is slowed by the opposing field it generates as it moves.

In this case, the domains of a ferrite or laminate core or closed loop, whichever the case may be, will revert to a non uniform state faster than plain steel core will. This is what they're designed to do since they're target is high frequencies. As those domains attempt to ( for a lack of better words ) return to a chaotic and field canceling arrangement, they move ( or in this case, their magnetic field changes ). In doing so, they are inducing currents around them and in the secondary coil. In this case, the secondary coil doesn't need much current flowing through it to oppose the reverting of the field from uniform to chaotic.

I don't believe this is a hoax, simply a matter of material properties. Although I think there could be a better way of testing the above with a different setup.

I would widen the secondary so that is there is play in two directions so that the core may pivot open ( like a hinge ); I would also round over the flat ends so that it could do this. I predict that in the original experiment, with unmodified circumstances, the core will fall naturally, even with the secondary closed, it would only be a matter of time. In the proposed setup, I predict the same phenomenon, though the part of the core opposite the secondary would open more quickly and the core would begin to hinge open and and slowly drop out.

This would prove that the movement at the atomic level is causing an opposing field in the secondary; ( however small ), it is enough to fight gravity and hold the cores together wile the secondary is shorted.

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Another thought is that the when the current is removed, the polarity ultimately reverses in the secondary matching that of the primary. Since no short is made across the primary, there is some sustained polarity in that section as the field collapses. The secondary is shorted and current can freely flow in either direction. When current is removed from the primary, and reversed in the secondary, the two coincide thus furthering the above mentioned phenomenon.

In any event, there are a number of things going on here.

gyulasun

Hi jadaro2600,

Perhaps you have not noticed but there is a second part video on the tests shown in the first video and the 2nd part just deals with the duration the secondary (coil) seemingly maintains the magnetic field in the core: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsN2sr3U0PY 

I agree with your reasonings on the domains of the (different) cores that tend to revert to a non uniform state and the time the cores need to spend to "recover" from a huge current pulse is material and manufacturing-process dependent. I also agree on your reasonings on the outcome of a "hinged" core test.

rgds,  Gyula

markdansie

Quote from: kEhYo77 on February 17, 2013, 09:45:32 AM
Hi.

I see that you have already decided what is real and possible.
I just checked it with two U shaped, big ferrite cores and the effect is there!
Our current understanding of electromagnetism is not yet complete...

We are living in a vast and dense sea of fluctuating energy fields. There is no 'close system' in reality, so the math and 'our laws of physics' apply only up to a certain level of complexity, as they are based on certain preconceived model of reality which is very basic and unfortunately flawed in many areas such as gravity, inner workings of the atom and macro scale cosmology. Try to search some info on electric Sun theory and see if it clicks ;)

Now, the way I understand this phenomenon goes like this:

Electric and magnetic field in this configuration are closely coupled and close-looped, they are more or less contained.
If any of them is exposed to external influence that tries to change it there is a resistance to that change, as it is commonly understood by the 'laws'.
Magnetic field in that video example is very strong, much stronger than Earth's magnetic field. So if we have a dense 'conductuctor' for magnetic flux - like a solid core - the remanence is very strong for that type of core. Why is it so strong then?
To me it looks like that there are lots of 'tiny' closed circuit path for current to flow inside such cores. You could say that superconductivity exists around magnetic domains in ferromagnetic conductors.
But to me it is more like an alignment of electric dipoles of iron molecules/free electrons where somehow it is easy to close the loop for the electrical potential, where again, this circular current is being somewhat 'shielded' from the external EM fields by surrounding, dense magnetic flux.
Now, the shorted winding illustrates this theory nicely, although in this configuration the wire is not shielded from all around that it is why it breaks loose after a while.
If my understanding is sound, it would be possible for a low remanence core, such as ferrite to retain induced magnetic flux for a long period of time as in Ed's Leedskalnin' PMH, provided a closed loop conductor INSIDE the core...

Be open minded, think, and do not follow blindly any religion like contemporary science ;)

kEhYo
Contemporary Science is open minded that is whty we are having a renewable energy revolution. What it does not tolerate is delusion,  poor measurements, bad methodology, wild assumptions, selective data analysis and a basic lack of understanding of the laws of nature.
Kind Regards
Mark
PS this is fake lol , the other commentators are covering it well