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Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".

Started by Farmhand, April 21, 2013, 09:00:24 AM

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synchro1

Quote from: MileHigh on May 19, 2013, 01:54:31 PM
Synchro1:

I can suggest a good test for you.  If you have a compass and arrange your setup so the regular coil and SBC will try to deviate the compass from magnetic North you can then measure the relative strength of the fields from the two types of coils at different compass positions.  Say the compass is a foot away from the regular coil and when you energize the coil it deflects 30 degrees.  Now try the same thing with the SBC and see if the compass also deflects by 30 degrees.  This test will be much more accurate than picking up paperclips.

I will remind you that you need to know the current through the coils.  So you measure the DC resistance of the coil and then measure the voltage across the coil when you connect the battery.  You might not know if the battery is freshly charged or nearly discharged.  That will affect the battery voltage under load so you must read the voltage and then calculate the current.  Alternatively you can use your multimeter to measure current.  One way or the other, assuming that you are comparing two coils with the same number of turns and the same core material, you have to measure both setups and be sure the current through both types of coils will be the same when you do the tests.  You should present that data as part of your test results to your audience.

Looking forward to seeing your clip.  We can see if there is any evidence of very high voltage.

MileHigh

You do it!

MileHigh

QuoteYou do it!

It's not going to happen!

gyulasun

Hi Farmhand,

Milehigh answered your question on the Avramenko plug so I make some additions only. You surely know that a piece of wire freely hanging in the air has a self capacitance with respect to the ground, measured between any one wireend and a ground pole. This link shows a formula to calculate the CH capacitance of a horizontal wire with L length, d diameter and H height above ground: http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/#CapTop  So the single wire capacitance to ground behaves as the "second wire" in the power transfer and of course it is frequency dependent too. This explains why the Avramenko plug is not really "working" at 50 or 60 Hz frequencies, high capacitive reactance is the limiting factor at low frequencies.

I do not know if you have read the patent by Avramenko et al here is a link https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=www.google.com/patents/US6104107.pdf   
I attached a pdf file on practical measurements with single wire power transfer, I find it interesting. (I found it on the net, referenced by someone on a forum I cannot recall.)

Gyula

synchro1

Scrap yard magnets are Tesla pancake SB coils attached to flat iron disks. There's a capacitor, a six volt battery and a DPDT current reversing switch.  The electromagnet face drops into a pile of scrap, the capacitor charge pulses the iorn disk and a PMH bond attracts the scrap. This electromagnet is OU now minus the cost of a comparison powered coil. Current reversal drops the load. The bifilar nail test of "Tesla Coil Builder" crudely demonstrates this PMH effect of Tesla's SBC.

Magnetic lock valves, car door locks, magnet conditioners, and countless other devices find ways to make use of this effect. Tesla's patent for "Electromagnets" is a coil for "Making Electromagnets". Portions of Tesla's patent are missing.

This lockng effect is a "Lorentz" force. Gravity bends light, E=Mc2. Magnet fields bend electric current. This effect can't be explained with Ampere's law, and is not inductive magnetization which can't unlatch.

MileHigh

Synchro1:

Go do some research on scrap yard electromagnets if you want to.  Right now your talk is mostly fantasy talk.  There is no OU related to scrap yard electromagnets and they do not use a PMH effect for their operating principle.

The Lorentz force is has to do with magnetic fields causing a force on a current-carrying wire.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magfor.html#c2

QuoteIn physics, particularly electromagnetism, the Lorentz force is the force on a point charge due to electromagnetic fields. If a particle of charge q moves with velocity v in the presence of an electric field E and a magnetic field B, then it will experience a force F = qE + qv (cross product)B

So there is no special "secret sauce" associated with the Lorentz force.

MileHigh