Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".

[jbignes5]

 Mags and everyone else just stop responding to the moron. He has shown that he is not in the field of electronics. That his memory about things is not so good and that his logical fallacies are soo deep that nothing makes sense when he opens his mouth.


Just ignore him. Thats what I am going to do. He can not disrupt this process any longer because we have the ability to just ignore him. Exercise that ability and he will go away. If it becomes a real problem then I will be talking to Stephan about this. But for now he is harmless. Nothing he says makes sense and certainly his sketchy information has zero credibility. He has stated that this is for fun only which means it's a joke to him. To me it looks like he is a very small man with nothing better to do then disrupt conversations about legitimate subjects.


Do a google search for milehigh and you will see his track record of this bad behavior on other forums.

Lets just recap what real history remembers of Tesla and how important his work really was to our past and current world:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC7BEStQ6kg

Lets now dig into what powers these devices and what the difference is between these two forms of energy. I say forms because it is the same energy but used in different methods.

Eric Dollard is the number one expert in this field. Here is an old video of Eric stating what transverse and longitudinal energy is and the proper method to analyze the two forms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BnCUBKgnnc

My ideas on this process work with the bifilar coil and resemble what real scientists are researching today.

http://p124374.typo3server.info/index.php?id=1591

Are we understanding how the bifilar can be used in the above link?

[MileHigh]

Jbignes5:

It's incredible how polarized the world is these days and this thread here is just a microcosm illustrating that fact.  You have to realize that when it comes to analyzing this coil and it's merits or lack of merits I am being serious.

Is the coil special in some extraordinary way or is that just wishful thinking?  And the state of affairs right now is that there is no logical reason to assume that the coil will do anything extraordinary.  The properties of the coil have been discussed and there is nothing special to report.  That's why I have put forth the challenge for someone to demonstrate something to make a case for the coil being special.  More than a month ago I challenged anybody to suggest a use for this coil that takes advantage of any "special properties" and not a single person has submitted a proposal.

I am going to quote myself from a few postings back from when I was debating with you and others so I know that you read this:

Here is the real point that I think sums it up nicely:  Any coil, and I mean any coil, will have its inductance and frequency response characteristics, and the associated stray capacitance characteristics, the DC pulse response characteristics, magnetic field pattern, etc.  Certainly there is room for a lot of variation when you look at those characteristics.  But the key point is that they are still all fundamentally coils and will work as per the differential and integral equations that define that two-terminal device.

Why do I say, "two-terminal device?"  Because when you strip it down to the bare bones, all that you have is two terminals and you can apply some sort of stimulus to those two terminals (pulse, AC, etc.) and then see how those two terminals respond.  You can put any kind of inductor across those two terminals hidden inside a black box and by observing how those two terminals respond you can deduce that there is an inductor connected to those two terminals.  (That's why I hate the fact that you guys call the Tesla cola a "bifilar" coil.)

So you can put any standard coil, or a Tesla series bifilar coil, or a Rodin coil across those two terminals and by making measurements you can determine that yes indeed it is a coil and then you can determine the other parameters.

And then in your posting you state, "Mags and everyone else just stop responding to the moron. He has shown that he is not in the field of electronics."  You also said, "Nothing he says makes sense and certainly his sketchy information has zero credibility."

Well Jbignes5, I don't say it very often but I am an ex electrical engineer.  Really.  I have done all of the experiments on the bench with coils to understand them and characterize them.  From reading your postings I can tell you with 100% confidence that I understand electronics way better than you will ever in your entire life.  And I am not even a hard core electronics guy.

Whether you realize it or not or like it or not, this is your Twilight Zone moment Jbignes5.  Clearly from your postings, when it comes to coils and electronics, you are the "moron" that is living in an artificial Twilight Zone belief system of your own making.  You can't give the solution for a circuit that consists of just a single solitary coil connected to a voltage source, but at the same time you can "talk the talk" about your Tesla coil fantasies and believe it.  I asked that you that question after all your bluster and chest thumping to make you think, and to try to get some juices flowing.

I am more than willing to see if someone can demonstrate something "fantastical" about the coil.  However, as I quoted myself above, the Tesla series bifilar coil is just a coil with slightly different characteristics.  You are welcome to try to prove otherwise.  And that's were the educational aspect comes in for everybody.  Let's look at this 19th century patent WITHOUT your "Twilight Zone" frame of reference and see it for what it really is, not for what you fantasize it is.

This whole thing is a quasi Rosemary Ainslie experience and just shows how the human condition is messed up in the 21st century.   How messed up is it?   You are completely convinced you know what you are talking about but at the same time you can't even answer a question about the simplest possible circuit that makes use of a coil.  That's pretty damn messed up.

MileHigh

[jbignes5]

 So to continue my thoughts on this subject I will again refer to my modification of the Tesla bifilar coil.


If we start to look at all of the links I posted we start to understand with a bias e-field we should be able to raise the output to overcome the base line resistance of the coil. Would this net more energy out.. No idea but it does allow us to impress the bias on top of the current pulses going into the bifilar directly. This should have the same effect as in the laser amplifier example I have given before.


Here is the design again, pictured below.

The blue circle is the e-field bias emitter and the center region is the ground or focus element for the e-field. This should bias the bifilar coil with a high voltage and raise the energy in the pulses of charges running through the bifilar coil arrangement. The very thin lines going to the center represent the Longitudinal e-field. The premise is that when the very thin lines propagate they cut the wires of the bifilar and raise the voltage level of that bifilar coil as the charges or current flow through the bifilar coil. As with a lens it should amplify the power by excitation. Longitudinal energy as we have learned flow in the inwards and outwards directions along those very thin lines. Hence the term longitudinal. Supporting circuitry will be a high voltage pulser circuit that should not cost much in current. Timing of the pulse entering the bifilar should be synchronized with the exciter circuitry. This way we should see the same effect as in current pulse laser technology.

The source for the exciter loop can be driven from a crystal battery that I have done work on myself with Ibpointless and J Bedini. The latter having very limited input to my involvement because of me leaving EF.

This means that we can be very green in this sense and despite the costs of the material of the device will extract energy from the environment via heat for little expense. This is just my aim in these experiments and this system was my answer to the limited current ability of the first crystal batteries. Unfortunately because of heath problems I had to postpone my work on this. I am now in better health and getting ready to do real work and not just spout gibberish about subjects I have no clue about.

Do you not hear the sound of one hand clapping in the wind? Don't worry he will leave eventually.


Another way to accomplish the same thing passively would be to add a high voltage flat bifilar coil as a reflector onto one side that is self terminated. This should convert the magnetic field of the bifilar low voltage coil into higher voltages that might be synchronized to the pulses going into the low voltage bifilar coil. Would this work well that is yet another experiment that is planned.

[Magluvin]

Here is the design again, pictured below.

Yes, thats the way I believe a pancake transformer should work, with the primary on the same plane. Thats the way it is illustrated in Tesla's patents. But it is a rare sighting to see others doing it this way.

Mags

[sparks]

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