Tesla's "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS".

[MileHigh]

Jbignes5:

As for the ideal this and the ideal that well IDEAL=MADE UP. It is not real in any sense of the word. There is no such thing as an IDEAL anything. That is only a suppression tactic put out by people who do not like transients. They remove the transient from the equation and then don't have to deal with it. IDEAL=FAKE=MADE  UP or NOT REAL.

So, we have clearly established here that over the past several postings made by you were you claimed that you answered the question, you have been lying.  You are unable to answer the question on a circuit that consists of one single component.  All that you can do is rant about the term "ideal."  In your electronic technician training (if you really had any which is doubtful) that term and concept should have been taught to you.

Why all the lying?  Why can't you just be honest?

This quote from you:

Would two bifilar pancake coils that are connected via two capacitors create an oscillator?

That just shows how clueless you are with respect to electronics, you can't even pose a question that makes sense.  And yet you are going to do bench 'research.'  You should work with Rosemary Ainslie, the two of you are on the same level.

Another goodie:

It doesn't matter what I think about radiance. Go look it up, it is very clear what radiance is both in my usage of the term and it's meaning.

You said, "But when talking about impulses and longitudinal waves within the electric field it transforms to a radiant field."  You can't even define your own terms that you used in your own prose.

You make your stream of cash on us and will protect that stream with every last breath. That includes making logical fallacies to support your income stream. We on the other hand are here to free humanity from scumbags like you. You lie with every breath and when shown those lies close your eyes and continue on with the attacks of credentials and logical fallacies ad numb. I for one will not be answering your tripe anymore after this last batch of posts. I have better things in my life to attend to. Like my experiments. You do this for "Fun", we are doing this to free ourselves from the likes of your kind that only feed off of our hard work like the parasites you are.

That's comical and there is an explanation for it.  There is a natural variation in people, like a bell curve, a.k.a., a normal distribution.  You are way out there in the Five Sigma Society.  You are just a hapless victim of where you landed on the bell curve.  It's unfortunate but Mother Nature does her thing.

You ask all kind of questions and this is because you are outside of your field as I have said many many times.

I have a Great Revelation for you Jbignes5.  It's my field and you are one that's on the outside.  You just can't see that looking through your psychedelic pinhole.  The society is not healthy if we don't have people like you.

There is a lot being said about the comparison video of bifilar vs. solenoid style coils.

If you only understood how a coil actually works that would help.  But hey, don't let those chains of knowledge hold you down in your coil 'research.'

Pages are filling up with garbage because of it.

A stinky troll that is also displaying his capacity for being a morally bankrupt self-contradictory 'dude' that lacks character and courage.  Magluvin also knows that you are in the Five Sigma Society too Jbigness, but he won't admit it.  He doesn't have the courage to say that to you.  So he is just making a fool of himself as the sad thread clown.  And after years of working on the bench and winding up an innumerable number of coils and doing countless 'experiments,' he can't answer the question either.   

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[jbignes5]

 Don't rightly care what you think anymore. I will leave this up to a third party and that party is named Stephan. I will have him look at all your posting and see that you are the liar. If need be he will moderate you to clear up this mess you have made of this thread. You my "friend" are the one playing games here. You say that I did not answer your question but I did in post 319.

Here is the quote if you are too lazy to go find the post. " A normal coil when hooked up to a normal current like DC will resist the current flow as it charges up. This is due to the self inductance and the resistance of the wire in the normal coil. Eventually the coil will choke out the current and no current will flow until there is a change in the current."

So who is the liar now?

Also lets see your experiment with the real ideal inductor? Come show us this ideal inductor?
That ideal inductor is just a mathematical construct from your delusional mind and theory that couldn't possible explain the electric field side of electricity. Lets stop the games ok liar.

Just for giggles lets see what Tinman has realized about the coil.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=lVEVCo0wXAA&feature=endscreen

Now lets look at the ideal vs reality situation:

"******In circuit theory, inductors are idealized as obeying the mathematical relation precisely.****** An "ideal inductor" has inductance, but no resistance or capacitance, and does not dissipate or radiate energy. However real inductors have side effects which cause their behavior to depart from this simple model. They have resistance (due to the resistance of the wire and energy losses in core material), and parasitic capacitance (due to the electric field between the turns of wire which are at slightly different potentials). At high frequencies the capacitance begins to affect the inductor's behavior; at some frequency, real inductors behave as resonant circuits, becoming self-resonant. Above the resonant frequency the capacitive reactance becomes the dominant part of the impedance. At higher frequencies, resistive losses in the windings increase due to skin effect and proximity effect.
Inductors with ferromagnetic cores have additional energy losses due to hysteresis and eddy currents in the core, which increase with frequency. At high currents, iron core inductors also show gradual departure from ideal behavior due to nonlinearity caused by magnetic saturation of the core. An inductor may radiate electromagnetic energy into surrounding space and circuits, and may absorb electromagnetic emissions from other circuits, causing electromagnetic interference (EMI). Real-world inductor applications may consider these parasitic parameters as important as the inductance."

So lets not post hypothetical questions as fact troll.

[MileHigh]

What's there to giggle about Jbignes5?  What has Tinman realized about the Tesla series bifilar coil?  Why don't you share your thoughts with us about Tinman's clip.  I did watch it so I am curious to know what you have to say.

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[MileHigh]

Jbignes5:

Here is the full paragraph from your posting #319:

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Again the bifilar coil is not an ordinary coil. It does not operate in the same way and doesn't have the push back (false current, self inductace) that a normal solenoid coil has to any current besides they use them in wire wound resistors. If they acted like normal coils off the shelf then wire wound resistors are null and void. Obviously they are not and you argument is false. A normal coil when hooked up to a normal current like DC will resist the current flow as it charges up. This is due to the self inductance and the resistance of the wire in the normal coil. Eventually the coil will choke out the current and no current will flow until there is a change in the current. But a bifilar coil uses the capacity between the pairs of wires to cancel the self inductance. This allows the coil to convert all current into the "magnetic and electric fields" and will not resist the current flow. It also will not gain in voltage as well like a traditional coil, that process must be experimented with and data collected to figure out the difference.
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Here was the question I asked you:

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You have an ideal inductor of three Henries.   You connect the inductor to an ideal voltage source of seven volts.  What will happen?
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Your few sentences embedded in a paragraph does not constitute an answer to my question.  And if you wanted to consider it an answer then you would be wrong.  Your comments about the bifilar not having the same "push back" are also wrong.

This is a pearl, "Eventually the coil will choke out the current and no current will flow until there is a change in the current."

Is your brain in gear?  Can you act normally, like posting, "The answer to your question is......."

Unbelievable.

I will agree with you and I am done talking with you.  We have done a lot of good things on this thread in examining the Tesla series bifilar coil patent and possible applications.  I took off the "Tesla blinders" and tried to get people to think critically and cast away their prejudices.  You joined the thread and said a lot of nonsensical stuff that should have been challenged.  We have had a debate and you were the instigator of the name calling and you even went as low as calling me a "scumbag."  In my opinion it's hopeless just like other good people on this forum have tried to get through to Rosemary Ainslie, it's hopeless.

What freaks me out is the complete cognative dissonance.  You actually believe that you can do research on the bench into coils and damn all of that "stupid textbook stuff."

From Wikipedia:

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The theory of cognitive dissonance in social psychology proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by altering existing cognitions, adding new ones to create a consistent belief system, or alternatively by reducing the importance of any one of the dissonant elements.[1] It is the distressing mental state that people feel when they "find themselves doing things that don't fit with what they know, or having opinions that do not fit with other opinions they hold."[4] A key assumption is that people want their expectations to meet reality, creating a sense of equilibrium.[5] Likewise, another assumption is that a person will avoid situations or information sources that give rise to feelings of uneasiness, or dissonance.
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You are safe now Jbignes5.  You can run away and live out your fantasies.  I give up on you, it's a lost cause.

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[MileHigh]

I'll bite on your last point Jbignes5:

Now lets look at the ideal vs reality situation:

"******In circuit theory, inductors are idealized as obeying the mathematical relation precisely.****** An "ideal inductor" has inductance, but no resistance or capacitance, and does not dissipate or radiate energy. However real inductors have side effects which cause their behavior to depart from this simple model. They have resistance (due to the resistance of the wire and energy losses in core material), and parasitic capacitance (due to the electric field between the turns of wire which are at slightly different potentials). At high frequencies the capacitance begins to affect the inductor's behavior; at some frequency, real inductors behave as resonant circuits, becoming self-resonant. Above the resonant frequency the capacitive reactance becomes the dominant part of the impedance. At higher frequencies, resistive losses in the windings increase due to skin effect and proximity effect.
Inductors with ferromagnetic cores have additional energy losses due to hysteresis and eddy currents in the core, which increase with frequency. At high currents, iron core inductors also show gradual departure from ideal behavior due to nonlinearity caused by magnetic saturation of the core. An inductor may radiate electromagnetic energy into surrounding space and circuits, and may absorb electromagnetic emissions from other circuits, causing electromagnetic interference (EMI). Real-world inductor applications may consider these parasitic parameters as important as the inductance."

So lets not post hypothetical questions as fact troll.

So, the question is easier to answer if you use an ideal inductor instead of a real inductor because you don't have to deal with all of the other parameters - but you still can't answer it.

And you bash the concept of an ideal inductor after looking it up because you are incapable of appreciating what it really is all about.  Every single person that takes an electronics course is taught about ideal inductors and ideal capacitors before they discuss the real versions of these components.  It's your ignorance talking.