Big try at gravity wheel

[Red_Sunset]

Red_Sunset, It is useless to think (reflect) about the system RAR energia.

I still repeat :

The machine does not exist. The workers are false.
All the images are forged. Everything is false
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Regards, Enstenow ( retired engineer)

Dear Mr Enstenow,
Marvelous investigative report, I am impressed and you may be right or you may be wrong. 
I am not yet in a position to make final judgement (I am still open for more convincing evidence)

With the details presented by you, I have the following concerns,
1..  Going direct to "google earth",  the latest version map available is 14 May 2012.  I do not find the validation of your assumed date of 9-July 2013, your link picture showed also the same date of may 2012, look carefully at he bottom of the map picture.

2.. The picture #2 taken from the main road is not taken in the correct position, see the google map below and the associated pictures from the RARenergia website.   I have marked on the google map from where the pictures would be taken, 
**   Your posted pic#2 shows the low tree line before the building, marked as #1 and #2 on the google view.
**   The pic #7 shows the dirt road from the main rd into the property as seen in the google picture
**   The pic #8 shows the tall building to the right marked as #3 on google
**   The pict #11 shows to the left a building, also seen on the google view but not marked.


3.. In addition, the technical working aspects shown in the pictures and patent application are all within the normal physical domain and are very plausible to work as theorized.  It is clear that several modifications to the machine have taken place that could confuse, but the reasons can be presumed to be the result of normal procedural interactions between designer and construction team.

Your evidence makes a good case but doesn't make a convincing case because the evidence is not exact enough to support your viewpoint.

Regards, Red_Sunset

[nfeijo]

Red Sunset, I do not know about the American machine, but the Brazilian one is in Porto Alegre, exactly in the address they say and it looks like what appears in the photo. Nothing fake there. If it works I do not know.

[Red_Sunset]

Red Sunset, I do not know about the American machine, but the Brazilian one is in Porto Alegre, exactly in the address they say and it looks like what appears in the photo. Nothing fake there. If it works I do not know.

Nfeijo,
This forum has quite a formidable ability to disprove any invention (most often unsubstantiated ) .
I do not see the equivalent ability to discover the newness presented in an invention.

Both abilities are required in an equal and balanced proportion to advance science.(since we build upon what came before)

It takes time and effort to be thorough and fair, but in return the rewards are plentiful.

Regards, Red_Sunset

[nfeijo]

Red Sunset,

Of course in a forum like this you can find all kind of people, believers and skeptics. But in general you find people open to new ideas, by the nature of the forum. I would say most people here tend to believe. But this is a swamp, with few flowers and many crocodiles. I am very curious about this particular invention.

Our friend the retired engineer thinks everything is a hoax. I can not say about the Gilman machine, but the Brazilian one, in Porto Alegre, sure is there, as advertised. I talked with someone, asking to see the machine working. He told me they were busy with demonstrations to prospective customers, he asked me to call in a few months.

I have been working hard trying to find something in this last 13 years, but always in the area of electromagnetics and electronics, never on gravity. I am not saying this is impossible. Who am I to say something is impossible ? As you said, it only ends when the fat lady sings.

I would be very, very happy if Renato Ribeiro had solved this problem of getting cheap energy from gravity. Maybe this would solve the problem of Africa and Third World in general. I have no interest in making money or being famous, but in helping poor people. Renato is so rich that I believe he would make this machine available to the poor.

We studied the patents and we are trying to make a simulation in Working Model, up to now without success.

Best regards,

Ney

[Red_Sunset]

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We studied the patents and we are trying to make a simulation in Working Model, up to now without success.

Best regards,

Ney

Hi Ney,
I know it is a wilderness out there and I do not have really a problem with it, so long they do not move in to closely with a demanding or negative agenda.
When it comes to the Renato's invention, from information seen,  he has 2 principle parts that lead to getting mechanical advantage.
One is described in the patent, and the second one "not shown in the patent" but implemented in the physical demonstration model.  I still need to do clarify some process details used for part2 and do a calculation exercise to quantify the possible gains for each instance.
You said "we are trying to make a simulation in Working Model, up to now without success",  with what part of the modeling don't you have success ?  Perhaps I can help.

Regards, Red_Sunset