Big try at gravity wheel

[Grimer]

By strange coincidence, Beer's brother, Ian Stafford Beer, was headmaster of Harrow School which is only about a mile from my house.


My three granchildren go swimming in their indoor pool on Saturday mornings.


It's a small world.


One's reminded of the six degrees of separation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation

[Grimer]

By strange coincidence, Beer's brother, Ian Stafford Beer, was headmaster of Harrow School which is only about a mile from my house.


My three granchildren go swimming in their indoor pool on Saturday mornings.


It's a small world.


One's reminded of the six degrees of separation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation

Edit: LOL - I've even found another link. Stafford left UCL just six years before I joined.

[MarkE]

Marsing, I am sorry if I offended you.

wow, your words are so deep.

"working machine that today is powered by gravity"
i got it  as  :=   gravity machine have accepted by whole world  or
                        there are company produce gravity wheel so i can point it out to you. 

sorry markE,    i can not,
beside, bessler is not my start point,
i don't know what exactly his claims,
and i don't want to make false claims.
and i don't know how many variant of his wheel.

well, i feel Good atmosphere here.

Marsing when you said:

i was also skeptic, skeptic protect us from scam fraud etc..
till i found 99% gravity device do work, ( with simple math).
best word to say, it's EASY

the conservative field theory as a reason to deny existence of these will be obsolete, next you ( all of "conservative field"  MAN) will realize that "conservative field" is not the only one to judge,   
   
sorry for my words, and peace for all

marsing

Since we have been discussing gravity wheels, I thought you meant a Bessler, or Bessler like device was part of those 99% of the working gravity devices you mentioned.   I especially thought this when you declared:  "it's EASY".  Please clarify what sorts of machines are among the 99% of gravity devices that you have found work.  Are any of those devices gravity wheels?

[MarkE]

I think the experiment I described is a bit beyond school science, Setalokin.


If I were you I'd stop digging.

Grimer are there any existing, replicated experiments that you can point to that show the gravitational field operating in a non-conservative manner?

[fletcher]

Hi Grimer,

Excellent presentation, although I never heard of these pendulum properties before, I learn something new, pretty fast by your logical presentation.

You underscore the exact principle path towards over-unity. The same base logic is employed (or at better phrased at this point "intended") by Renato in its RAR, and Wayne Travis in his ZED, where the energy requirement for the upswing is less than the energy gained in the down swing (or visa versa) in order to obtain a positive output balance.

The engineering challenge is in the transformation/morphing at BDC to switch cycle type and the requirement to execute this transition with minimal energy (less than possible gain), the core inventive property is there.

Well done.

Red_Sunset

Red .. Grimer has been presenting this hypothesis of gain in Pe [i.e. gravity force is not conservative] as fact for quite some time - he has been asked to provide repeatable experimental evidence of his claim both here & over at BW.com - IINM he has never 'produced the goods' - having a theory is one thing, promoting it as a fact or truth is another.

A couple of renowned commentators here have politely pointed out the contradictory evidence to the 'Grimer theory'.

Perhaps I am less quick to accept someone's musing as indisputable fact than you [my failing perhaps ?] & prefer to check facts as best I can before willingly becoming an acolyte - IIRC You-tube has some good experiments with pendulums, in such a manner as Grimer proposes, which do not show a gain in height.

Perhaps Grimer would like to provide his experimental basis for his theory so we can forever retire Gravity as a conservative force  & open the Pandoras box !