Big try at gravity wheel

[MarkE]

Grimer, I am still waiting for you to either confirm or correct my statement of your hypothesis.  Here it is again for your convenience:

1) The cycloid pendulum potential energy at its apogee contains only gravitational potential energy with all gravitational force operating normal to the horizon.
2) A circular path pendulum with a vertical length arm of y1 and bob mass m1 has at its apogee additional "third derivative energy" over and above the potential energy as an otherwise identical cycloid pendulum has.
3) A hybrid pendulum with vertical length arm of y1 and bob mass m1 that follows a circular path on one side of its travel and a cycloid path on the other half of its travel will convert the additional "third derivative energy" of the circular path half to additional gravitational potential energy observable as a higher apogee on the cycloid side than the circular side.

[Grimer]

[/font]Hi Grimer,             loved the antique horology thing. I must admit I'm well out of my depth but amenjoying this all the same.     What I wanted to know was if you could build on the increase in height by reversingthe cycle. My feeling is that if the bob ends up nearer to the pivot point you could not.   One thing that I have discovered through this topic is that is that Newton was a veryclever man.               Thank you John.

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Clever indeed - especially with regard to action at a distance.


Below is a post from BesslerWheel.com on this topic.


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If you will excuse me, and bear with me, I have some frustration that needs venting.


Gravity is the attraction of masses ...

No it isn't - and Newton thought the idea of attraction was daft. I don't have his quote to hand but it has been given more than once in these forums.


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Edit: Found it -


"The most amazing thing I (Tom Van Flandern) was taught as a graduate student of celestial mechanics at Yale in the 1960s was that all gravitational interactions between bodies in all dynamical systems had to be taken as instantaneous.


This seemed unacceptable on two counts.


In the first place, it seemed to be a form of action at a distance.


Perhaps no one has so elegantly expressed the objection to such a concept better than Sir Isaac Newton:


"That one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to the other, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it." (See Hoffman, 1983.) But mediation requires propagation, and finite bodies should be incapable of propagation at infinite speeds since that would require infinite energy. So instantaneous gravity seemed to have an element of magic to it'".

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[Grimer]

An excellent book on Newton and his contemporaries which everyone interested in gravity research should read is:

The Sleepwalkers: A History of Man's Changing Vision of the Universeby Arthur Koestler
It's available in paperback from Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Sleepwalkers-History-Changing-Universe/dp/0140192468

[Grimer]

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What I wanted to know was if you could build on the increase in height by reversing
the cycle.
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Of course you could but it would be rather a fiddly process.


Below is a diagram I posted on BesslerWheel.com last October.


One would need a series of pendulums ready at each arrival station ready to take the bob up against the gravity gradient. It would be hopelessly impractical for generating energy though, obviously.

[MarkE]

Grimer, are you ever going to confirm or correct the statement of your hypothesis?  Do you want your hypothesis tested or not?