Big try at gravity wheel

[Red_Sunset]

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Archimedes vs Displacement Replacement.
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Thanks Webby !!

[MarkE]

Red_Sunset at the end of the day HER make the extraordinary claim that they can extract energy for free, and indefinitely from a gravitational field.  Tom presented as their representative that the reason they can do this incredible thing is that they discovered what Tom, and Wayne, and many others call the "Travis Effect".  Yet, whenever anyone tries to pin down what it is that HER claim to have discovered by any name that they wish to call it, nothing substantial or specific comes back. 

Years after HER first made their extraordinary claim there is neither a statement of an operating principle that would allow for their claims, nor is there demonstration that evidences their extraordinary claim.  There are a series of videos that claim to show an effect that violates Archimedes' Principle when in fact they do not.  They misrepresent air as responsible for buoyant force when it is not.  They represent in the videos that they are revealing a discovery, when in fact they show nothing that hasn't been known for over 2000 years.

Extraordinary claims, no affirmative evidence, and misrepresentations add to: nothing of value.

[TinselKoala]

He tried to provide a progressive detailed flow that was partly thwarted by certain member with a brash disposition.(the reason for the high post count).

The truth is quite the contrary. Travis resisted over and over providing any real data. He continually claimed to have working prototypes that were self-running and producing excess power. In a pdf presentation designed to attract new investors he promised to put a 50 kW generating plant at his church in six months if he got funding. None of the investors who saw the full presentation, in person, along with whatever Travis actually had built at the time... none of them chose to invest. Years later.... there is still no working prototype that does what Travis claims. He has recently "gone private", removing from the public view most of the overt claims that he was making those years ago.

Travis paid Webby a fair chunk of change for demonstrating what we all were calling the "travis effect" in a nested set of transparent tubes. Yet.... here Webby is now, posting on gravity motor threads, instead of getting paid big bucks working directly with Travis in Oklahoma to bring his marvellous free energy machine to market. Flat packable like Ikea furniture! 20 kW in the footprint of a garden shed! No input, no exhaust, just power out for free. But where is the working prototype that he claimed to have? Why is Travis's home and workshop still connected to the grid? I know why, and so do you, Red. He has devices that almost work. They leak, they run down, they require lots of weird acronyms to keep the investors hopeful and out of the lawyer's offices. ZED, TAZ, rotary ZED, and more. Travis _asked_ for his thread to be closed, so that he would not have to field the hard questions. The questions... and the thread... remain, however.

Anyone who might be interested in Travis really ought to take a look at that old locked thread, to see the kind of things people were saying and what they did.

[conradelektro]

Strange thought, gut feeling, after reading a bit the old Travis thread:

Red_Sunset comes over a lot like Travis? Are they the same person? May be not, but I got that impression from style and arguments put forward.

I may be wrong, it is not an accusation and I could not care less.

Greetings, Conrad

[powercat]

IMO

Archimedes vs Displacement Replacement.

Work with fluids is pressure and volume.

The Displacement Replacement item occupies 90 percent of the vessel.

Each vessel is limited to a 10 percent lift of the height of the vessel.

Both vessels have the same dimensions.

Archimedes requires the full volume of the vessel to be moved.

Displacement Replacement requires 10 percent of the volume moved.

Archimedes lifts with no further input.

Displacement Replacement requires another 10 percent volume added.

For the same lift the Displacement Replacement vessel requires 20 percent of the input work as the Archimedes vessel.

OU? maybe not, but a more efficient method, yes.

Now transfer the stored potential into a second unit at the starting depth to make another lift.  By using the stored potential the input costs become the difference in pressure created by the change in height within the water column.

Again, the Archimedes requires the full volume and the Displacement Replacement requires 20 percent of the volume.

This is what the videos were trying to demonstrate.

There is a non-intuitive component to the multiple riser system that no video or demonstration was made for.  This is a strange phenomenon that I myself do not understand the "how" or "why" of, but it is present in the system.

The system response to lift and the force transfers to outside weight are not the same as the descent.  It is as if the weight left on the risers gets focused into the inner most riser\pod chamber and holds a higher pressure value on the ejected fluid from the pod chamber for a longer duration than it should, and it is this recovery condition that is an important part to the function of the system.

In the testbed I built, the motion of the pod\risers was not the same going up as they were going down.  If I used a solid single top riser kind of setup where I had all the risers locked together the system responded differently, if I locked some and not others, again the system response was different.

In short, it took less weight to maintain pressure on the way down than the system lifted with the same pressure.


Edit to Add:  IMO

What a lot of plausible sounding BS, $2000 is the only thing that you really believed in, after claiming you have achieved OU, you never had it independently verified or were capable of demonstrating a self-runner, and let's face it if you really had discovered OU why would you waste your time working on anything else ?, One over-unity device not enough for you ? 


Some people join this website to learn how to make (claims) of OU sound convincing without ever having to show proper evidence, there have been so many,(in fact all the threads so far have never had a real working OU device)
Luckily some of the threads are from genuine people, doing research in the hope that one day they will achieve OU, but we really could do with less idiots and conman who claimed they have done it and know how it works, but can never have it verified or demonstrate a working device under laboratory conditions,


For anyone that miss it Wayne Travis is a liar and conman.