Big try at gravity wheel

[TinselKoala]

  Koala,
         trouble is the Tinselzed stops.

Yep, that's a problem all right.  But some might see it as "just an engineering issue" since the basic principle has been demonstrated. Hasn't it?   

Travis had the same problem, his thing stopped
after four hours. He originally said that that was not a problem, but I think it was.
If it would have kept going for forty eight hours he would have been able to show it
off to Mark, wouldn't he?
                             John.

Well, I think a well-balanced, heavy teeter-totter can keep rocking back and forth for a long time with very little input. The Travis ZED thing was "precharged" with a fair amount of air pressure and elevated water, as I recall, and it kept stopping because it usually "sprung a leak" somewhere... meaning all its precharge was gone. Go figure. You'd think the boys never heard of Teflon tape.

So yeah, run it for 48 hours, but be sure to measure the _precharge levels_ before and after the run.

[TinselKoala]

This looks like a folding and respawning operation:

http://www.hydroenergyrevolution.com/
http://www.zydroenergy.com/

.....

You forgot this one:

http://mrwaynesbrain.com/

[TinselKoala]

So did (and do) I!  Why didn't you point out, investigate, and/or explain more about what you demonstrated at that time?  I was hoping you would and was also disappointed that no one else asked.

Would you now?

M.

The Heron's Fountain with active TinselZED produced a greater flow rate with higher head pressure than the same fountain with the TZED removed... but for a shorter time. As far as I could tell, the TZED operates like a "pressure lever" system that amplifies force at the expense of distance, or in this case volume.

[fletcher]

Conrad .. FWIW - these types of forums serve a purpose - they are a place where people can congregate & share ideas & opinions - we don't always agree & that diversity makes it interesting at times - some are quick to believe claims without iron-clad proof whilst others will remain skeptics until the bitter end - that is, unless a working model is produced & independently verified by qualified & trustworthy individuals, they will not look for a possibility in the known physics & math that could provide a pathway to OU & PM in the vernacular - both positions are polarizing & neither of particular merit - an open mind to possibilities is more an advantage to exploring new potential paradigms than to become a science bigot constantly falling back on what we have learned.

That said, this forum & others teach you more about human nature than science & the scientific method - if you can keep it in perspective & recognize these undercurrents of human nature, ego's & emotionally charged arguments you will find it an altogether more enjoyable experience [as I'm sure you do].

The benefit from this experience is that exposure to sometimes volatile & emotionally charged individuals & their arguments desensitizes you & then you begin to see the same patterns of communication everywhere around you in daily life & work environments - it is the human condition & it pays to understand it - soon you realize that entire markets are driven by the same precepts & even philosophy & economics etc are not immune to its covert influence.

An old adage I often keep in mind when reading this forum "trouble can't be where trouble can't go" - for me this simply means that if I understand the drivers for different personalities then I am less likely to respond out of character.

ETA: I also hope one day to be greatly surprised by something not easily explained, & that keeps me interested.

[mondrasek]

The Heron's Fountain with active TinselZED produced a greater flow rate with higher head pressure than the same fountain with the TZED removed... but for a shorter time.

Now that explanation is what is predicted (expected) in accordance with the rules that science has developed from previous observations.  Not that those are wrong...

You tested an extraordinary claim and dismiss it without comparing it to a control experiment.  Or at least you never showed the control experiments and corresponding measurements.  Instead, you explain the higher head pressure away (understandably) using currently understood science.  Instead of testing.

Just how do you know the higher pressure manifested "for a shorter time?"

Please don't think I'm trying to goad you into performing more tests.  It is only that I am used to you proving your points by presenting excellent experiments and data.  Even when they are redundant to the point of being moribund.  I am just curious how you draw your conclusion.

M.