Big try at gravity wheel

[TinselKoala]

Hi Cat,
Some advice, get yourself better informed, so you can see the wood from the tree's
Take a trip to Oklahoma and visit the ZED production line.
With due respect, never think you know everything because there are multiple sides to a coin. There is always something out there to outfox you.
Being reasonable and humble is a virtue that can serve you well
Red_Sunset

I'm sure we will all be very interested in reading YOUR report of YOUR visit to see the wood from the trees, Red. What happened when YOU went to Oklahoma to see the ZED "production line" ? Please do tell.

We'd especially like some details about the lawsuit, and the "hard doors closing" and "expectations not met". A working prototype that demonstrated the truth of Travis's claims would seem to be badly needed to fend off the evil litigants and disappointed investors. Unfortunately no such thing exists.... in spite of Travis's many claims to the contrary. Am I wrong? If you think I am, please provide some evidence, not more insults.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKctCl_pr7A

[minnie]

Hi,
   Koala, if I'm reading the diagram correctly you pay for the height increase by the
bob ending up closer to the pivot, therefore you can't just swing the chops, it would
foul the cord. Once the bob gets higher than the horizontal things are going to go
wrong anyhow.
      I can' t see any comparison with Mylow, he was a total fraud. Do you remember
that farce when he visited Howard Johnson's grave?
                   John.

[MarkE]

minnie assuming a perfectly flexible arm, the only energy is GPE, ie height, and KE.  At the apogee on either side the KE is zero, therefore with no losses the GPE's are equal and therefore the heights are equal.

[Red_Sunset]

PowerCat  -   .................take your head out of Wayne Travis backside, and get a grip on reality, he is a con man that does not have a working over unity device, but with your rose tinted way of looking at science it is no surprise that you fell for it.
Look at his website, he removed the update page, so that he could stop himself  repeatedly promising things that he could never deliver, the man is a liar and a fraud.

PowerCat, You appear to be pretty well opinionated.

MarkE     ...............video'sof upside down cups

I agree with you on all your comments you made about the upside down cup video's.  They were only props,  intended to lead you towards understanding certain concepts of the invention.

TinselKoala..........................Yet we have no examples of such a perpetual beast, anywhere, even though it would take a decent woodworker a morning's labor to make it. Why not? I know why... and so do you, and so does Frank..

My point was that your beast was an exaggeration, far removed of what was speculated by Grimer. He never elaborated on the practical execution of his idea.  You appeared to have an alternative agenda for doing so
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I can assure you that,
I don't need a high priest trying to convince me what to believe in.  And neither would I insist in changing your believe.    My senses of reason are functioning well enough to make up my own mind based on information and evidence presented.
I can see that many members here have certain pre-conceived negative opinions on Wayne Travis and also of Renato Ribeiro, as seen in this RAR topic,  What amazes me that they want everybody to believe that their opinions are fact without an ounce of case evidence. I regret their loss!
Sure, everybody is entitled to their own viewpoint, just do not become the high priest, preaching short sighted opinions without supporting evidence.

Not finding something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It means only that you have not found it yet.

Peace,  Red_Sunset

[MarkE]

Red_Sunset the various aquarium and cup demonstrations were entirely acts of misdirection.  The claims that they asserted in those videos were false.  They claimed that they were showing something new and unique:  a "Travis Effect".  They did not show anything new or unique. 

They cannot to this day describe what the "Travis Effect" does that is different from the 2000 year old Archimedes' Principle.  There is a very simple reason for that:  the "Travis Effect" is all misdirection that tries to lead the viewer into thinking that the upward force of buoyancy depends on something other than the equivalent weight of fluid displaced by the volume of the sunken object.  The cement insert that they use displaces fluid just as well as an air bubble, and the results are the same when the cup is forced over the cement insert as if it were forced over an air bubble of identical dimensions, or anything else.  When it comes to buoyant force:  It's the displacement, it's the displacement, it's the displacement.

Despite that what they demonstrate is just Archimedes' Principle at work, in one of their videos they even claimed that they were showing a side by side comparison of the difference between the "Travis Effect" and Archimedes' Principle.  The demonstrator keeps saying something like: "Come on Archimedes!".  This leaves us pretty much with one possibility that they have such a poor understanding of science that they don't recognize Archimedes' Principle when the have right in front of them, or that their false representations are deliberate.  In either case they have nothing of value that they can ever deliver.