Big try at gravity wheel

[TinselKoala]

Not finding something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It means only that you have not found it yet.

Or that it has been proven not to exist and you will never find it. Or any of a lot of other things.

Did you know that there is a ton of pure gold bullion bars buried directly under your house, Red? It's only 30 meters down. I know this because I have invented the TK GoldFinding pendulum, and I've dowsed the map with it, and it told me where you live and that the gold is there. It has never been known to fail! (This is the first time I've used it, but my theory is infallible, so I know it's working.)

Now... tell me.... will you start digging? Not finding something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, remember. And I've given you exactly the same degree of proof for your gold, as Travis has given us, as Grimer, as .....

Get the point, or not? There's no point in searching for something that you know is impossible. Yet, we both can imagine perfecly plausible and physically possible scenarios where there could indeed be all that gold under your home. Pirates, Russians, the NSA, smugglers, have dug a cavern and hidden it there.

Still, I predict you will not begin digging for it.

[Red_Sunset]

Or that it has been proven not to exist and you will never find it. Or any of a lot of other things.
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Get the point, or not? There's no point in searching for something that you know is impossible. Yet, we both can imagine perfecly plausible and physically possible scenarios where there could indeed be all that gold under your home. Pirates, Russians, the NSA, smugglers, have dug a cavern and hidden it there.
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Still, I predict you will not begin digging for it.   

TinselKoala,
I am in no position to disagree with you,  what you are saying makes perfect sense.
I am also aware of the embedded human drive to search and drive onward to the next frontier.

If Columbus would have accepted the belief that the ocean drops into the abyss just beyond the horizon, he would never have sailed.  Just a small glimmer of hope that what we belief is incomplete or not true is enough for us to pursue a solution.

"Or that it has been proven not to exist and you will never find it."  >> That is always a possibility, but it is a risk taken that is offset by proportionate rewards that keeps the attraction.  If that balance becomes unattractive, the process will stop.

** Discouraging people is counter productive, so is looking for "why it can not work, why it can not be OU". It just causes a lot of ill feeling emotions.
** Encouragement is productive, so is looking for  "How can it possibly work", " what modification would achieve the design objective".  Guaranteed to produce happy faces.

Red_Sunset

[Grimer]

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Yes, Frank, please explain how someone telling you that a device is NOT OU IN ANY WAY, that it is perfectly ordinary and everything it does is in accord with normal physics, someone who actually REFUSED your cynical offer of money for the device .... is a "fraud", or how it compares to Mylow, who told everyone he had a working Free Energy Magnet Motor and took money and materials from people under those false pretenses. Let's see you reproduce some of the conversations you held, where YOU were arguing that it was OU when the builder kept telling you it wasn't. Those were a real hoot to read at the time.


Frank Grimer, like one or two others, was utterly fooled by a simple child's toy, in spite of everything he was told by the builder, in spite of physics, and now he's bitter about it. He _saw something_ and chose to interpret it through his rose-tinted glasses, and would not accept other interpretations as possible or real.  He also has funny ideas about internet identities.

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Look how Setalokin won't answer the question about whether on not he is TK.
He says of me, "He also has funny ideas about internet identities."
What has he got to be ashamed about. Why does he continue to deceive people.


As for the WhipMag, it wasn't a simple child's toy. It was an experiment originally
suggested by "overconfident" on which you were co-operating (he will be turning
in his grave at your betrayal of his idea).


The result you got was quite unexpected by you. I was there, remember.
Not physically but on the internet as you made the various timing measurements
as it slowed down. You're lying, Setalokin and you know it. I


If it was a toy explain to us how it worked. If it is a toy why don't you go to the
remaining video site and explain it was a toy made to fool your audience.
Frankly the idea it was a toy is ludicrous to anyone who know anything about
magnetic experiments.


That was an attempt to build a magnetic motor and to your and the viewers
at the time's amazement it succeeded. You put out the video on the web
then tried to get them back - probably on the instruction of your employer
who took over the motor. Unfortunately, one of the videos escaped and is
still out there on the web.


You did exactly the same thing to me on the
Not the [Word removed at the request of Steorn] Forum
(At that forum he is in his Al Setalokin persona. )


You put up a picture of a gyroscope experiment you were working on.
Knowing your anal retentiveness I immediately pressed Print Screen. :-)
Sure enough a couple of posts later it had disappeared.


Was he mad when I told him what I'd done!
I think the expression is "He's got issues."


I fear in many ways I feel rather sorry for him. When I compare his
lonely life with mine, I feel, what a difference. When on one session
he complained about his miserable existence I said I'd pray for him
(we are both Catholics except I'm practising and he's lapsed) he got
mad at that too and said he didn't want to be prayed for (I think that
was his Hyde persona speaking - I'd better start fasting too :-) ).[/size]


It's because I think he has great qualities that I want him to stop lying
about who he is and about the true story of the WhipMag -
even if his employer doesn't like it.


I should explain that Al's employer seems to be some dilettante who
pays Al to monitor the OU world. Isn't that right, Al.


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I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

[MarkE]

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As for the WhipMag, it wasn't a simple child's toy. It was an experiment originally
suggested by "overconfident" on which you were co-operating (he will be turning
in his grave at your betrayal of his idea).


The result you got was quite unexpected by you. I was there, remember.
Not physically but on the internet as you made the various timing measurements
as it slowed down. You're lying, Setalokin and you know it. I


If it was a toy explain to us how it worked. If it is a toy why don't you go to the
remaining video site and explain it was a toy made to fool your audience.
Frankly the idea it was a toy is ludicrous to anyone who know anything about
magnetic experiments.


That was an attempt to build a magnetic motor and to your and the viewers
at the time's amazement it succeeded. You put out the video on the web
then tried to get them back - probably on the instruction of your employer
who took over the motor. Unfortunately, one of the videos escaped and is
still out there on the web.

Grimer what facts lead you to the conclusion that anyone has ever built a working permanent magnet powered motor?  That dark video that you linked just shows a motor.  What proves that it or any other machine ever constituted a working "magnetic motor"?

[Red_Sunset]

Red_Sunset the various aquarium and cup demonstrations were entirely acts of misdirection.  The claims that they asserted in those videos were false.  They claimed that they were showing something new and unique:  a "Travis Effect".  They did not show anything new or unique. 
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MarkE,
You might be correct that the Travis Effect" was pinned to the wrong model demonstration.  I agree that all the cups demonstrations showed normal physics, the only point they tried to convey that pressure creates lift, not volume (volume is secondary), a basic fact.  Small water volume and pressure utilization were important in realizing the principle that underpins the Zed.  To that purpose they were not misleading.
The Travis Effect referred to a distribution of pressures in the multi-layer pressure assembly. It made possible the asymmetry between the up & down stroke, and in turn the ability to harvest a positive energy balance.
Revisiting the topic pages and a bit of study would clarify this in greater detail.  The current model has evolved and is unrecognizable from the system shown in those pages with dramatic improved efficiency.
Although a principle remains a principle.

Regards, Red_Sunset