Big try at gravity wheel

MarkE · January 23, 2014, 04:53:19 AM

Quote from: Red_Sunset on January 23, 2014, 04:46:36 AM
MarkE,

Thanks for taking "the mickey" out of my post. No problem, I can appreciate the humor that came along with making your viewpoint
It is clear that you have stuck to the superficial view of the design and took the angle of "disproving OU" rather than "trying to figure out the inventors angle".
That is fine, although I would recommend you revisit the quoted paragraph above.

Regards, Red_Sunset

Red_Sunset I trust that you agree that we can manipulate force or distance with machines such as: levers, pulleys, and hydraulic pistons, since we do that millions of times each and every day. The thing that we seem to be unable to do is violate Conservation of Energy / Mass. I would love to hear your take from the "inventors point of view" where HER or anyone else may get more energy out than in with any single element or any collection of elements in their machine. Please explain the operating principle that supposedly would allow their machinery to delivery endless energy.

Red_Sunset · January 23, 2014, 05:14:09 AM

Quote from: MarkE on January 23, 2014, 04:53:19 AM
Red_Sunset I trust that you agree that we can manipulate force or distance with machines such as: levers, pulleys, and hydraulic pistons, since we do that millions of times each and every day. The thing that we seem to be unable to do is violate Conservation of Energy / Mass. I would love to hear your take from the "inventors point of view" where HER or anyone else may get more energy out than in with any single element or any collection of elements in their machine. Please explain the operating principle that supposedly would allow their machinery to delivery endless energy.

MarkE
Reading fast with comprehension and understand at the same time shaded context relationships is an art.
The purpose of my post #499 was, "explaining at a high level, the operating principle of that lever"
You wouldn't want me to repeat the detailed workings with pictures of all that Wayne described in his topic line, would you ?
I hate duplication, it is all there, read it and see what he did to overcome the quoted limitation.
Do not be "pre-conceived" where the energy is going to come from.
Milking is the best way to describe it. You take part but you don't kill the cow

Maybe Minnie can help you and teach you the milking part !!

Red_Sunset

minnie · January 23, 2014, 05:39:01 AM

Sunset,
Consider the facts.
Grravity very weak.
Hydraulic lever very inefficient
No chance of any decent operating speed.
Nearly everything that goes on occurs in nature. From fusion to a brain.
Lets look for a natural gravity driven process, a glacier, huge weight and
snail's pace.
Consider a diesel driven alternator, engine is huge when compared to the
size of the alternator.
Gravity/water bad place to start from.
John.

Red_Sunset · January 23, 2014, 06:14:11 AM

Quote from: minnie on January 23, 2014, 05:39:01 AM
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Gravity/water bad place to start from. John.

Hi John,
You are correct, although the difference is that you are stating a practical consideration and previous communication is addressing a theoretical process.
You might enjoy this fable, works good to put the little ones to sleep

A FABLE - NEVER LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH

Once upon a time in a far away country, close to a big forest and in the shadow of the castle. There lived an old man with many sheep who was in possession of a 25kg gold bar that he had discovered buried in the field.
On a nice sunny morning he decided to do a good deed by sharing this treasure, by making a poor fellow wealthy. So out of the goodness of his heart he decided to give away this 25kg gold bar to the first needed poor man he would encounter that morning.

He told the first poor fellow he encountered that morning that all his wishes would come true and that he didn't have to worry ever again about where his next meal would come from. The poor fellow was surprised at the goodness shown to him by the old man and became immediately suspicious. His suspicion turned into questioning the motivation of old man for giving this big gold bar away. So he started to question the old man aggressively,
How do I know if it is really gold?
How do I know if it is solid gold?
Can you prove that it is gold?
Can you prove that it is solid gold?
The reason that you give it to me (for free) can only mean that it is not gold. I am not going to take your gold until you satisfy all my requests, if you don't you must be a liar and a cheat.

The old man was utterly surprised and taken aback with the response to his good intended gesture. The old man replied that he didn't expect anything in return for his gift, neither does he put down any conditions for giving away this gold. He suggested that the poor man himself could let the goldsmith test the gold to assure himself that is was real and put his mind at ease.

The poor man was un-moving adamant that the old man should satisfy his demands and then he walked away scolding the old man for being a cheat and liar for not proving that the gold was real. That he was trying to hand him fake gold. On his way home he told everybody he encountered how the old man was trying to cheat him.

A few weeks later did the old man hear that the poor man had died from starvation. The old man returned with great disappointment to his house and buried the gold bar in the garden where it remained until today.

Red_Sunset

minnie · January 23, 2014, 06:48:27 AM

Oh dear Sunset,
trouble is you're digging to find a gold bar in the most unlikely place.
Many people have scanned your chosen site with the most up-to-date equipment and
there's nothing there.
Do some prospecting of your own, find somewhere that you're in with a chance.
The laws that are known are quite robust, if they weren't you couldn't count on anything,
simply, things just wouldn't work.
John.