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Big try at gravity wheel

Started by nfeijo, May 03, 2013, 10:03:04 AM

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LibreEnergia

Quote from: Red_Sunset on January 30, 2014, 01:19:06 AM

What property do you think materializes buoyancy in FORCE  equivalent to displace volume ?


The buoyancy force arises out of the difference in force between the top and bottom of the submerged object.  The top experiences a force equivalent to the weight of the column of fluid above it. The same is true for the bottom surface. The difference between the two equates to the weight of a column of fluid that is the vertical height of the object between the top and bottom surfaces.

If you integrate those forces with over any enclosed volume you can show that the force is equivalent to the weight of fluid of the volume displaced. Any standard fluids text book will give you a more mathematically rigorous treatment of the above so I won't do that here.

The 'Travis Effect' attempts to confuse the above by introducing the equivalent of a spring that varies the volume of the object depending on the submerged depth.



minnie




Hello Sunset,
                  One thing that has emerged is that I now know the meaning of "travesty"!
                           John.
ETA.  Fletcher knows a thing or two, he's obviously researched Travis quite thoroughly.

Red_Sunset

Quote from: LibreEnergia on January 30, 2014, 02:28:26 AM
The buoyancy force arises out of the difference in force between the top and bottom of the submerged object.  The top experiences a force equivalent to the weight of the column of fluid above it. The same is true for the bottom surface. The difference between the two equates to the weight of a column of fluid that is the vertical height of the object between the top and bottom surfaces.

If you integrate those forces with over any enclosed volume you can show that the force is equivalent to the weight of fluid of the volume displaced. Any standard fluids text book will give you a more mathematically rigorous treatment of the above so I won't do that here.

The 'Travis Effect' attempts to confuse the above by introducing the equivalent of a spring that varies the volume of the object depending on the submerged depth.

EnergiaLibre,
You are not playing a fair game by ATTACKING Travis & his endeavors with accusations for which you appear to hold the WRONG end of the stick.  Please leave your attacks until it is proven that you are right, so you don't make a fool of yourself.

All you said is correct and matches which I stated in a previous post of mine, you are not saying anything new.
What point are you trying to make ?

QuoteMARKE,   that pressure equates in the end to volume and this makes it easy to calculate the lift force of uneven shapes is correct.  But in the workings of nature, bouyancy is a FORCE and this has nothing to do with volume/displ.water., but it has all to do with pressure.   It is this way because pressure is directly related to submerged height.(also a volume parameter).

The Travis set of inverted cooking pot's terminate to the standard atmospheric environment (a hydro system),   So like the ship example in my previous post, no pressure above, only pressure below to provide the LIFT FORCE, we call buoyancy. 

Now the PARADOX,
The water that surrounds a floating object does not have to be as large in volume as the volume displaced.  A typical example provided in books is that you can float the USS Saratoga within the volume contained in a bucket full of water.  Sure this has not much to do with the voulume the USS Saratoga displaces.

But the importance lies in a slightly different viewing angle,
Lets assume we build a dry dock molded exactly to the hull shape of the USS Saratoga. We pour 1 bucket of water in it and some big cranes put the USS Saratoga in this dock, it will float. 

What is the lesson here, We can displace a 1,000,000 Tons ++ of weight  from standing to floating with just the volume of one bucket full of water,   We do not have to displace the volume 1,000,000 Tons++ of water to do it

This reduces the pumping cost and time.

An other example,
You might have seen a large smooth granite ball floating on a film of water.   The stone ball can easily moved by hand. The water pressure of the water film area matches obviously the weight of the ball.
Water volume displacement does not come DIRECT into the picture,  although it does so indirectly because it is a side effect not the primary effect.  Pressure can be directly equated to water column height

Over to you,  Red_Sunset

Red_Sunset

Quote from: minnie on January 30, 2014, 02:42:48 AM
Hello Sunset,
                  One thing that has emerged is that I now know the meaning of "travesty"!
                           John.
ETA.  Fletcher knows a thing or two, he's obviously researched Travis quite thoroughly.

John,
I do not doubt that Fletcher is very knowledgeable,  and is clever enough to save time by posting some wikipedia links to standard physics references to try to get everybody on the same level
But I do not see how does that changes your position regarding your previous post

Red_Sunset


Red_Sunset

Quote from: LibreEnergia on January 30, 2014, 02:28:26 AM
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The 'Travis Effect' attempts to confuse the above by introducing the equivalent of a spring that varies the volume of the object depending on the submerged depth.

LibreEnergia,
This process of air compression that acts like a spring unfortunately adds a complexity to the system,  but it is not there to confuse, although it could induce that experience.
Red_Sunset