Big try at gravity wheel

[Red_Sunset]

No, Red, you STILL don't get it.
...........................................

TinselKoala,

Don't worry, I get it allright.
I know that my previous post was cheeky, reason was that I am getting bored, I hope I didn't offend you.
The problem is that I wouldn't dare to post anything new, because I know the reception is going to be "anti" instead of inquisitive and followed by a lot of typical accusation.  So I put myself on the sidelines, not a great incentive.

I have tried a new approach by separation of the real test machine from a theoretical concept in order to give myself at least the possibility to get a start, but to no avail.  Even a temporary assumption of a "magic lever" was taken into mockery.  The whole Wayne and Travis history immediately gets pulled into center stage at every turn.
So not much possibilities for any dialog.  So we just play....and play....

Red_Sunset

[Red_Sunset]

If I may ask, why has Wayne Travis ZED taken over the thread that was started for the Renato Ribeira device.
Nobody has any interest in this device any longer ?

Does that indicate that the Wayne Travis ZED has more appeal, is more mysterious or provides a greater enticing complexity, or it is the device that broke the OU barrier  (even most likely) ? 

Red_Sunset

[TinselKoala]

The problem is that I wouldn't dare to post anything new, because I know the reception is going to be "anti" instead of inquisitive and followed by a lot of typical accusation.

Try posting some _real data_ that supports your contentions for a change, and see what the reception is. 

But you have no real data to post, and what you do post is contradicted by elementary physics. No wonder you get "anti" receptions.

[minnie]

   Renato's just waiting for the 50kw motor and 500:1 reduction gearbox to see if it
   will rotate, then he's in business!
                                 John.

[TinselKoala]

If I may ask, why has Wayne Travis ZED taken over the thread that was started for the Renato Ribeira device.
Nobody has any interest in this device any longer ?

The device was supposed to be completely finished months ago, wasn't it? So since there is no new data, no videos of it running... what is there to be interested in? I would love to see a video of it running, but I'm not holding my breath. Are you?

Does that indicate that the Wayne Travis ZED has more appeal, is more mysterious or provides a greater enticing complexity, or it is the device that broke the OU barrier  (even most likely) ? 

Red_Sunset

No, it indicates that the Travis material has more "meat" to it, and has defenders like yourself who try to justify Travis's claims and who are willing to discuss it. Travis is trying to make money, and he's presented several bogus demonstrations where things move, at least. We haven't seen anything but still photos of a non-moving but very complicated and expensive object from the Ribiero crew. And that's all we will ever see of it, too. After all, it has been "completed" for a couple of months now, hasn't it?