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Overunity Machines Forum



Big try at gravity wheel

Started by nfeijo, May 03, 2013, 10:03:04 AM

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MarkE

Quote from: Marsing on February 09, 2014, 05:18:33 AM
mark

i have no problem with video mark, video have done what it purpose,

i will tell your story that you told,

long ago, it was thought that metal aircraft would never be able to fly because metal is so much heavier than air. Today, aircraft weighing hundreds of tons fly on a daily basis.
Why would anyone think that it is impossible for something to fly just because it is heavier than air?  Were these people who had such ideas unfamiliar with birds?

The only purpose I have seen from the videos was to promote a massive misconception that buoyant force exerted by immersing something in water has to do with how much air is part of what is immersed.  It absolutely, positively is not so.  Each of the five videos demonstrated as such, in fact demonstrating Archimede's Principle in each case despite what Tom Miller said on the audio tracks.


MarkE

Quote from: LibreEnergia on February 09, 2014, 05:19:58 AM
What you or anyone else who claims this device can work needs to do is prove this 'non linear' behaviour is true with respect to ENERGY not just forces.

Forces during the stroke displacement could be any kind of function you like depending on the geometry or inner workings of the device. However until you account for the sum of all energies  potential and  kinetic you don't come close to proving your case.

None of the mathematical analysis presented so far is adequate.  Analysing the device as a series of static steps shows no energy excess.  Such simplified analysis however is inadequate to prove or disprove the 'non-linearity' of the system.

It would be possible to completely model this device with some accuracy using computational fluid dynamics. Personally, I think it is pointless to do that. All it will show is the device does not work.  CFD code has as a stating point that energy is conserved and seeks to solve a system equations with that goal in mind.

As such, promoters of the device would need to be able to the exact point in the cycle and say 'see... this is where the excess energy is produced' and be able to explain just where this extra energy is manifested from.
It seems fairly common that people who promote various devices as offering free energy are unwilling to perform energy balances.  These HER like machine analysis problems are of a nature that static analysis should be adequate.  If OU results appear from static analysis, then more sophisticated analysis such as computation fluid dynamics may be required.  I haven't seen anything so far that suggests that will be necessary to get a sufficiently accurate and reliable result that represents the truth of the matter.

Marsing

Quote from: MarkE on February 09, 2014, 05:28:19 AM
Why would anyone think that it is impossible for something to fly just because it is heavier than air? 

Were these people who had such ideas unfamiliar with birds?

i am questioning ,Who Were These People ?

talking about video is uselfull for the first Steps.  we are waiting for webby explanation of The Second AND third step.     

MarkE

Quote from: Marsing on February 09, 2014, 05:48:23 AM
i am questioning ,Who Were These People ?

talking about video is uselfull for the first Steps.  we are waiting for webby explanation of The Second AND third step.   
Marsing what is the first step that you think you saw in the videos?  Where did you see anything that was counter to Archimedes' Principle in any of the videos, despite Tom Miller's protests?

Marsing

i can not say something counter to archimedes,
i wanna say that iam waiting for webby explanation.

and i guess you can remove two air pump from your diagram.