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Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.

Started by synchro1, June 09, 2013, 11:07:49 AM

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MarkE

Quote from: synchro1 on January 06, 2015, 09:54:09 PM
The test shows that the presence of a magnetic field slows the current in an inductor more then the inductor slows the current in the abscence of the field. It dosen't sound like you even took time to look at the test. You're just parroting some more drill work.
It is not that difficult to change the bias on an inductor so as to change where it operates on its B-H curve.  Magnetic amplifiers were all the rage a century ago.

synchro1

@MarkE,

Why do you have a problem understanding that a magnet rotor might travel at a speed fast enough to beat the opposite field formed by the approaching magnet in the output coil enough to reverse the drag effect and get a push instead? You should also be able to understand how a magnet core in an output coil would retard the efficiency of the coil, and make it easier for the rotor magnet to speed past TDC. What's your problem with understanding that?

MarkE

Quote from: synchro1 on January 06, 2015, 10:50:07 PM
@MarkE,

Why do you have a problem understanding that a magnet rotor might travel at a speed fast enough to beat the opposite field formed by the approaching magnet in the output coil enough to reverse the drag effect and get a push instead? You should also be able to understand how a magnet core in an output coil would retard the efficiency of the coil, and make it easier for the rotor magnet to speed past TDC. What's your problem with understanding that?
Synchro1 the problem is a simple one of energy balance:  Energy is borrowed from one process, passed through a number of lossy processes and the balance is supplied back to the original process.  The result is by definition always lossy.  In order to be able to put more energy back than your original process borrows, you have to get an energy gain somewhere along the way.  Until and if someone finds such an overunity intermediary process, there is no hope of the overall process even reaching break even.

synchro1

Quote from: MarkE on January 06, 2015, 11:20:40 PM
Synchro1 the problem is a simple one of energy balance:  Energy is borrowed from one process, passed through a number of lossy processes and the balance is supplied back to the original process.  The result is by definition always lossy.  In order to be able to put more energy back than your original process borrows, you have to get an energy gain somewhere along the way.  Until and if someone finds such an overunity intermediary process, there is no hope of the overall process even reaching break even.

Where's the answers to the two simple questions I asked you?

We have to compare what you say with the kind of test results reported by reputable people like JLN:

"When the LOAD IS CONNECTED the RPM speed is DOUBLED and the INPUT POWER DROPS dramatically".

MarkE

Quote from: synchro1 on January 06, 2015, 11:44:05 PM
Where's the answers to the two simple questions I asked you?

We have to compare what you say with the kind of test results reported by reputable people like JLN:

"When the LOAD IS CONNECTED the RPM speed is DOUBLED and the INPUT POWER DROPS dramatically".
Isn't it amazing how much more efficient an inefficient thing can become when one reduces the inefficiency?  You are still stuck with the same fundamental problem:  Finding more energy at the output of any of the intermediary processes than at the inputs.  Alas, it is not to be.