Magnet coil cores, demagnetization power and Lenz delay.

[MarkE]

More rotor magnets will help lower the "Lenz Delay" threshold RPM and less magnets will increase the demagnetization interval. Consider this; Everyone has seen demonstrations of rotor speed up under load. Once the multi maget rotor is spinning fast enough, if we pull the DPDT Reed Relay back away from the rotor in the normally closed position open to the storage capacitor, and adjust the tiny positioner coil field strenght on the back of the core magnets to the Neutral Zone and experience rotor speed up, how can it not be a self runner at that point? Think about it. I've been perversly ridiculed as a cumpulsive lier and psychotic, but I moved the rotor in the sphere spinner spiral away from the power coil. How can the 'Lenz Propulsion" overcome the drag of a prime mover like a DC motor or anything. It's not difficult to achieve rotor speed up, if it's a free wheeling rotor how can it not be powering itself if the rotor's accelerating with zero input?

Well a self-runner should be self-evident shouldn't it?  It should just keep going and going and going without external power input.

It is very easy to get fooled by some of these effects.  A number of Thane Heins demonstrations show what happens when one is able to manipulate the BEMF constant AKA motor constant of a motor while it is being driven by a constant voltage source.  A DC motor will under light or no load conditions pretty much spin up to a speed where the product of the motor speed and the BEMF constant match the supply voltage.  So, if we reduce the BEMF constant, the motor spins faster.  Now think about what that means.  It means that the generator analog of the motor is producing a voltage just a little bit less than the supply voltage, and the difference voltage applied across the winding resistance is developing just enough current to result in enough torque to overcome the motor losses.  Because the generator voltage is less than the supply, the instant that we try to close the loop, the motor will have less voltage driving it, the current will drop, the losses will decelerate the motor and the generator voltage will further drop in a spiral down to zero speed. 

If the motor really started self-sustaining, then two things would happen:  The motor current would go negative and the motor would speed up until either a new higher speed equilibrium occurs as the battery or power supply loads the motor or the motor just accelerates to destruction.

[synchro1]

Well a self-runner should be self-evident shouldn't it?  It should just keep going and going and going without external power input.

It is very easy to get fooled by some of these effects.  A number of Thane Heins demonstrations show what happens when one is able to manipulate the BEMF constant AKA motor constant of a motor while it is being driven by a constant voltage source.  A DC motor will under light or no load conditions pretty much spin up to a speed where the product of the motor speed and the BEMF constant match the supply voltage.  So, if we reduce the BEMF constant, the motor spins faster.  Now think about what that means.  It means that the generator analog of the motor is producing a voltage just a little bit less than the supply voltage, and the difference voltage applied across the winding resistance is developing just enough current to result in enough torque to overcome the motor losses.  Because the generator voltage is less than the supply, the instant that we try to close the loop, the motor will have less voltage driving it, the current will drop, the losses will decelerate the motor and the generator voltage will further drop in a spiral down to zero speed. 

If the motor really started self-sustaining, then two things would happen:  The motor current would go negative and the motor would speed up until either a new higher speed equilibrium occurs as the battery or power supply loads the motor or the motor just accelerates to destruction.

I'm glad you raised that point MarkE. I covered the effect at length on my "Self Accelerating Reed Switch Magnet" thread. Be prepared for a close to traumatic future shock experience. Twinbeard's output core spinners raced to the hypersonic shattering point in only a matter of seconds. My spiral core output spinner is wraped Serial Bifilar and I believe the neo sphere speed stabilizes when the RPM matches the self resonating frequency of the coil. The GAP magnet core coil with the positioner should slow the acceleration simply by turning the positioner all the way up or fixing more back up magnets to the core stack.

The self acceleration effect will be followed by a runaway situation resulting in rotor disintigration. Preparations need to be taken in advance. My sprial coil has a PVC coupling and a wooden box for protection. Everyone should view the PVC coupling I encase the ceramic bearing tube spinner in. I haven't given any thought to a safty housing for this design yet. This is merely a build concept at this time. I'd need to build it myself and experiment with different types of protective housings. The optimal enclousure would surround both the coil and the rotor. The hyper speed up can lead to serious injury or fatality. Exercise extreme caution if you proceed with this kind of experimentation. I can't stress the need sufficiently, because skepticisem leads people into taking chances that should be avoided with proper safty measures. This is no joke folks!

[MarkE]

I'm glad you raised that point MarkE. I covered the effect at length on my "Self Accelerating Reed Switch Magnet" thread. Be prepared for a close to traumatic future shock experience. Twinbeard's output core spinners raced to the hypersonic shattering point in only a matter of seconds. My spiral core output spinner is wraped Serial Bifilar and I believe the neo sphere speed stabilizes when the RPM matches the self resonating frequency of the coil. The GAP magnet core coil with the positioner should slow the acceleration simply by turning the positioner all the way up or fixing more back up magnets to the core stack.

The self acceleration effect will be followed by a runaway situation resulting in rotor disintigration. Preparations need to be taken in advance. My sprial coil has a PVC coupling and a wooden box for protection. Everyone should view the PVC coupling I encase the ceramic bearing tube spinner in. I haven't given any thought to a safty housing for this design yet. This is merely a build concept at this time. I'd need to build it myself and experiment with different types of protective housings. The optimal enclousure would surround both the coil and the rotor. The hyper speed up can lead to serious injury or fatality. Exercise extreme caution if you proceed with this kind of experimentation. I can't stress the need sufficiently, because skepticisem leads people into taking chances that should be avoided with proper safty measures. This is no joke folks!

So all you have to do at that point is show that the device is doing that on its own and not with power from the battery or power supply that you have hooked up to it.

[synchro1]

@MarkE,

You would accuse me of planting a hidden wireless transmitter or blowing compressed air or something else. You pull that sort of trick on JLN. Plus, I'm not your running dog! You can watch "Piratetwinbeard's" Speed Racer video if you want to witness the effect under test conditions. Milehigh was called an asshole by him for pulling the kind of crap you and TK bore me with. Call Judge Judy!

[MarkE]

@MarkE,

You would accuse me of planting a hidden wireless transmitter or blowing compressed air or something else. You pull that sort of trick on JLN. Plus, I'm not you're running dog!

Synchro1 reasonable people develop test protocols and perform replications to get to the bottom of extraordinary claims.  Nothing forces you to cooperate.