'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?

[Low-Q]

Hi Tinman. I'd be quite happy if someone else verified the design, and started selling kits / motors. That's the ideal scenario. The only problem would be if anyone claimed exclusive rights to it, but as long as these forum pages are online - it's dated proof of the origin of the design.

I don't think the laws of man are really laws (they're always changing, and they don't apply equally to all, so they can't really be considered laws, eh...). I think the real law is something like: "give without thought of receiving", so I'll try to do that and leave the rest up to 'the Universe' / 'God' / 'the Force' etc. to sort out.

Anyway, you said you maybe had an idea for the rotor? Was it a variable capacitor? If so - mine are all non-magnetic...

I'm going to do a CAD design for it, but it'll take a week or two at least. I may have to make the prototype with a square-ish core - for an easier build (bolts through center)... Will see...

It'd be nice just to verify that the iron rotor & stator would actually behave in the way predicted - before going too far with the prototyping - I'm finding it a bit difficult to test with what I have lying around though.

These laws are changing. You're right. They are changing in the direction where there are potential profits or som form of self interest. Profit outlaws most politics and religious directions. In other words; Profit or self interest is the very reason why politics and religions exists.


That said, if you openly share an idea that might cause a better energy/cost ratio, most industries would not be interested for as long the blueprints are available to everyone. Most people aren't nice because they want to give without asking for something back. There is allways a hidden self interest in being kind. That is our nature, and nothing will stop it from being so.


Vidar

[tim123]

Hi Gyula
 

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And with a pulse of a given amplitude and ON time, you can also keep up oscillations in a resonant tank circuit to make up for the losses, in a more precise way than by using your AC.
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...thanks, that's a very good point, and it makes the build easier...

I have come to the conclusion that a tank-circuit is the only practical / efficient way to provide the varying magnetic field required. I know energy can be 'recaptured' from a depowered coil, but as far as I know, it's not as efficient as a resonant circuit.

I think the small change in inductance as the rotor rotates would only damp the oscillations a bit, and the magnetic field isn't going to be 'used up' in any sense by the rotor movement... So it should be possible to generate excess power from the varying field.

Note, the fin motor design generates it's rotary power at a right-angle to the magnetic field, i.e. in an orientation (dimension) which is basically invisible to the (2-dimensional) magnetic field... Perhaps this is one of the keys to OU using electromagnetics - i.e. the fact that we have access to a dimension that the magnet doesn't?

However, as I mentioned before, the motor was designed for square wave input, and it won't work as described above as part of a tank circuit. So unless anyone has any ideas, I'm going to work on the basis that it'll be a quarter-turn pulse generator. So the rotor will turn 1/4 turn into the stator at full-field, and back out again at minimum field.

Vidar, you say "There is allways a hidden self interest in being kind. That is our nature, and nothing will stop it from being so."
My understanding is that if you continue to grow as a human being throughout your life, genuine compassion / empathy is a sense that will develop naturally at some point. We all start off mostly selfish as children, and in a functional society we would all grow out of that. In this society though, arrested development is unfortunately 'normal', and most people never grow up...

When your sense of compassion is genuinely working, then your motivations change, and it's quite normal to care about all people, animals, plants etc, and to do things for them just because you want them to be happy. It allows you a much deeper understanding of the world - you can see deeper into things when you care about them. It is the part of us that makes us human. Without empathy, you're incomplete.

[tim123]

According to my calcs, I can have a decent sized coil (300mm x 100mm ID x 120mm OD) - which would have an inductance of about 10 Henries... It's rated to give me plenty of magnetic field strength at 48Watts DC (i.e. 14amps, 3.4volts - ratio can be adjusted by changing wire size) to saturate any iron in the core.

BUT I can't possibly run this thing on pulsed DC, because the transient time is 3 minutes!

However... If I parallel it with a capacitor of 10 microfarads, the resulting tank-circuit should have a resonant frequency of about 16Hz (gives 1000 rpm) BTW, I'd be planning to pulse power into the circuit from a bench power supply, via a DC solid-state-relay, at 16Hz...
(http://www.deephaven.co.uk/lc.html)

In fact, I can reduce the capacitance, and increase the frequency, but it all seems far too easy, so there's probably a drawback here I don't know about... Can anyone help? Is it really that easy? What am I missing?

[Khwartz]

These laws are changing. You're right. They are changing in the direction where there are potential profits or som form of self interest. Profit outlaws most politics and religious directions. In other words; Profit or self interest is the very reason why politics and religions exists.


That said, if you openly share an idea that might cause a better energy/cost ratio, most industries would not be interested for as long the blueprints are available to everyone. Most people aren't nice because they want to give without asking for something back. There is allways a hidden self interest in being kind. That is our nature, and nothing will stop it from being so.


Vidar

Would better I think you not generalize your own case! Looks to me.

There are people who make profits because it is useful to make the things go right for the General Interest.

Money is the "energy" of the economy. Some use the economy for their only own (wrongly understood) profit and some others to bettering the world.

Some work hard to make the economy (= valuable exchanges between people) working so that everybody could enrich, some to enrich themselves (they think), and some just are critical.

"The purpose of any activity is the creation of the maximum of happiness"; if this was applied I think there would be less confusion, less selfishness and less ... criticism.

[Khwartz]

Hi Gyula :)r
 
...thanks, that's a very good point, and it makes the build easier...

I have come to the conclusion that a tank-circuit is the only practical / efficient way to provide the varying magnetic field required. I know energy can be 'recaptured' from a depowered coil, but as far as I know, it's not as efficient as a resonant circuit.

I think the small change in inductance as the rotor rotates would only damp the oscillations a bit, and the magnetic field isn't going to be 'used up' in any sense by the rotor movement... So it should be possible to generate excess power from the varying field.

Note, the fin motor design generates it's rotary power at a right-angle to the magnetic field, i.e. in an orientation (dimension) which is basically invisible to the (2-dimensional) magnetic field... Perhaps this is one of the keys to OU using electromagnetics - i.e. the fact that we have access to a dimension that the magnet doesn't?

However, as I mentioned before, the motor was designed for square wave input, and it won't work as described above as part of a tank circuit. So unless anyone has any ideas, I'm going to work on the basis that it'll be a quarter-turn pulse generator. So the rotor will turn 1/4 turn into the stator at full-field, and back out again at minimum field.

Vidar, you say "There is allways a hidden self interest in being kind. That is our nature, and nothing will stop it from being so."
My understanding is that if you continue to grow as a human being throughout your life, genuine compassion / empathy is a sense that will develop naturally at some point. We all start off mostly selfish as children, and in a functional society we would all grow out of that. In this society though, arrested development is unfortunately 'normal', and most people never grow up...

When your sense of compassion is genuinely working, then your motivations change, and it's quite normal to care about all people, animals, plants etc, and to do things for them just because you want them to be happy. It allows you a much deeper understanding of the world - you can see deeper into things when you care about them. It is the part of us that makes us human. Without empathy, you're incomplete.

Sorry I am not agree with you, tim123. I have 3 children and have observed many, unless the parents screw-up them, they are all but not selfish; all the contrary! But need to differentiate the behaviour of the body from the behaviour of the being itself. If the body is hungry, nothing else counts, but if basic organic needs provided them you have a smily baby, and what is a smile if not something generously provided to make people happy around?