'Core Rearrangement' - 'Fin Motor' - Open Tech - OU?

[tim123]

Hi Webby,
  that sounds interesting. It sounds like that could be useful info for Butch's Pseudo solid designs too. I know there's something in it. Just waiting for my subconscious to figure out what:
http://www.overunity.com/13783/proof-of-overunity-from-magnets-fixture-no-negative-work-aspect-lafonte/new/topicseen/#new

I've been playing a bit more - to see if I could replicate the effect you described, I have previously noticed a kind of 'dead spot' between 2 attracting magnets:
- If i place a steel disc exactly half way between 2 attracting magnets - it only very slightly magnetised, if at all.
- If I move it closer to one or the other magnet - it is more strongly magnetised.
- (tested by touching the disc with an iron nail)
- With a 'pinch' field as you describe - the central steel disc is *very* strongly magnetised.
- So my experiments confirm exactly what you describe. Nice one.

We've been discussing this a bit here:
http://www.overunity.com/13788/roy-davis-and-rawls-magnetism-discoveries/new/topicseen/#new

I've been playing with the coil a bit more. There are a couple of possibilities. I get good repulsion between loose iron bars in the coil - and I think I *can* design a mechanism to make use of it - similar to one i posted originally.

I like the idea of using PMs to provide the 2nd 'phase' too. Their field is perpendicular to the coil, so i don't think they affect it.

Perhaps this design could be applied to a pulsed V-gate type of motor...

[Khwartz]

Hi!

When you speak of "magnetic gate", do you speak of something like this (a side the coils to harvest the energy):

http://www.overunity.com/12555/g-e-a-m-gacnacrateur-a-accran-antimagnactique/dlattach/attach/127067/?

[tim123]

It occurred to me yesterday, that it's maybe possible to do something like the pic attached...

In this arrangement:
- The output coil's fields can't react against the main coil - because they're perpendicular.
- I think the output coil's core must be fully saturated by the main coil for there to be any power output...

Notes:
- I tried to test it, with a small transformer, with a neo magnet at each end
- Trafo was held firmly in place by hand
- when I powered up the main coil - I got Zero volts out of it.
- I'm assuming that this is because I can't even get close to saturating the core with my coil & power supply.
- If the core did get fully saturated by the main coil, I would expect the PMs to fall off the ends. They didn't.
- When I say >50cm below - I mean in length. Longer coils are more efficient: less amp-turns per unit-length required.

PS, I realise it'd be better to complete the magnetic circuit - i.e. have a steel tube inside the main coil...

[tim123]

Magnets also play an "ownership" game,, as in the one that is closest to the object will interact with it but to change that the "new" field must be stronger to overcome that attraction...

Yes. I think the Main coil will have to produce a strong field to affect the pre-magnetised Output core. I think a full magnetic circuit will actually help - as shown in the diagram below.

The real question is this:
In a tuned circuit, can the magnetic field do work - i.e. re-align the magnetic domains of the cores - without being 'used up'? 

[Khwartz]

always think this way,,  a north pole coming is the same thing as a south pole leaving as viewed from the same end of a coil,,  a north pole leaving one side is the same as a north pole coming towards the other side.

Very interesting viewpoint imho, webby1! Very thanks for sharing