Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?

[umit]

Hi Gyula

Thank you for the reply.
I don,t work with such company,s Gyula.

Started in 2006 with announcing the concept, and between start and several years raised funds over 3 million euro,s.
7 years later still not in production, sure that it is patented, why need to pay fees to watch the construction of the generator?

I know everything, steorn yildiz the canadian the australians the german that is in prison etcetera.
I dont want to involve in such things.

And your question related to my project, Afcourse it runs when it stops i give it a hand and watch it again for the full 9 to 10 days with big smile.
Its my life work, i dont give dust the chance to dirty my project  ))

Have a nice weekend Gyula
Regards,
Umit

[gyulasun]

Hi Umit,

Yes it is better not to have any connection with companies like Steorn or those people you listed, I agree. 

If you do not mind, I would show you a link to a patent (from 1995 by Pavel Imris) which also works with permanent magnets and gravity. I attached below Figure 5 from it to see how the setup looks like. Patent language is in German and the European Patent office has a free online machine translation service by clicking on first the Description icon in the left hand side Menu and then you can see patenttranslate in red icon above the full German text. By clicking on red icon, you will have the machine translation in English in a new window. Here is the link to the Bibliographic data and to see the full patent with all the Figures you can click on the Original document on the left hand side Menu too. This is the link:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19950201&CC=EP&NR=0637120A1&KC=A1 

I am sure you will understand the principle for this setup and I would like to read your opinion whether the principle is correct at all or it leads to a sure failure?

Very briefly for those not getting the principle: the rotor wheel #22 is supposed to rotate clockwise because magnet #31 on it (shown at the 3 o'clock position) is repelled out radially by magnet #31' hence its rotary torque effect onto the shaft is higher than that of magnet #32 (shown at the 9 o'clock position) which (due to the spring on its left side) is shifted radially closer towards the shaft.
The repel force between the left hand side magnets #32 and #32' is weakened strongly by the ferromagnetic side walls #28 (which cover one half of the rotor wheel) so the spring can push magnet #32 closer to the shaft, making an unbalance for the wheel.
Of course this unbalance is also weakened by the pull forces of these magnets towards the ferromagnetic sidewalls but it may be compensated for by using heavier (in weight) magnets.
There seems to be two sticky points at the 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock positions but one is compensated by the other: when magnets at the 12 o'clock position are to exit (clockwise) from the gap between the two parallel ferromagnetic plates, they are tended to be kept there by the natural attraction to the ferromagnetic sidewalls and retard or break the rotation of the wheel, however, the magnets at the 6 o'clock position are just to enter into the gap between the ferromagnetic plates so they are naturally attracted clockwise, reducing the break force at the 12 o'clock position.
The spring at the 3 o'clock position is pushed by the repel force between magnets #31 and #31' when these magnets are outside of the ferromagnetic plates and this spring will release this repel force the moment the magnets enter into the gap between the plates, pushing  the outside magnet closer to the rotor shaft, providing unbalance for the rotor.
I hope my description is understandable.  Of course this is not really a high RPM setup, though using more magnet arms than 4 (as is shown) may increase speed and torque.

Regards,  Gyula

[umit]

Hi Gyula

It looks interesting, for sure not just only 1 person tried to replicate this,
maybe you are one of them.

If it worked it whas already in production, no?

Much things comes from long research, and many inventions by luck.

So what is it what you realy want to know or tell gyula?

Regards,
Umit

[conradelektro]

@umit:

You will be offended, but you are a model case in the OU world.

Situation 1): An inventor invents something and files a patent. This allows to show the invention to many people because the invention is protected by the patent. By showing the invention to many people the inventor learns about the shortcomings and advantages of his invention and can make informed decision.

Situation 2): An inventor invents something and tries to keep it a secret. This makes it impossible to show the invention to many people. The inventor can never find out about the shortcomings and advantages of his invention and gets lost in a dream world.

Inventors of "strange machines" tend to stay in "Situation 2)". This helps them to keep up an illusion. For many it is more desirable to keep on dreaming than to face reality. There might be some benefit in the "strange machine", but also this benefit will never be proven, because of the secrecy which prohibits independent tests and measurements.

Our world is complicated, therefore "Situation 1)" is also no guarantee for success. To file and to legally defend a patent is very expensive, and most people will not be able to afford that. In many cases the world will just ignore the invention, and all the money spent on the patent will be for nothing. This happens with the majority of patents. Patents for "strange machines" are almost always ignored.

So, "Situation 1)" and "Situation 2)" both pose grave problems. What is the right way to proceed after having invented a "strange machine"? Well, there is no right and simple way.

My personal opinion (an there is no guarantee that I am right) is "total openness". Show the "strange machine" to everybody and help many people to replicate and measure the "strange machine". What will happen? So far, every "strange machine" did not work as intended after careful measurements by independent parties. Only by prohibiting careful measurements and by holding a "secret" legends and rumours are kept up for many years, in some cases even for centuries (e.g. Bessler wheel or Tom Bearden).

In my opinion "total openness" is mainly a way for the inventor to protect himself from illusions and false conceptions. Of course I am talking about an honest inventor. A person interested in crime, will do everything to promote an illusion or to swindle. But the fraudsters are not interesting, one just has to avoid them, problem solved.

Most often the inventor of a "strange machine" worries about that his "idea" will be stolen and used by others for personal gain. Well, that happens to all good ideas (not only to "strange machines"). No matter what you invent (a conventional machine or a strange machine), it will be most difficult to make a profit from it. And the vast majority of inventors never make a profit from their invention. Per year about 250.000 patents are filed with the European Patent office, and how many of these "inventors" make a profit? If a profit is made, it is most likely a company and not a lone inventor. But the vast majority of patents filed by companies also make no profit. "Patent" is almost a synonym for "no profit", statistically speaking.

Therefore, statistics also speaks for "total openness", even for a conventional invention not only for strange inventions. A lone inventor has the best chance for success by sticking to "total openness". But there are no guarantees, like with everything in life.

Being a lone inventor is a very hard choice. Most good engineers work for a company and their inventions are turned into a profit by the company. The good engineer at least gets a good salary. You might not like this situation, but it is reality.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: This theme pops up at least three times every year. So nothing I said is new. To stick to "Situation2)" seems to be the nature of OU-inventors.

[umit]

Yes Keep up the good work conrad, more looking into other people lifes rather then use the negative energy to make something new.
When people are so frustrated and negative about someone when actually no harm is done is because:
1.lonely life
2.many unsuccesful projects.
3.broken relation.
4.financial lose due to wrong investment.
5.jealousy
6.no experience, rather then read stories, and uses others stories as backup.
And many more.

O and please dont be offended,i can be wrong, above dont need to be you, i just got it from the internet.

I really would love to hear your comment if we lived in the passed, when the air plaine whas not invented yet, or televesion not invented yet.

For sure you would say,,you are a scam, only birds fly, and a television hahahahaha only a theatre with a box around it can be made and nothing els.
Enjoy your day, please, if you know some companies that work on such projects feel free to comment.

Otherwise , use the Always negative comment to your neighbours when they loudnen them music.
And i dont show openly my project, only in private parties.

Good luck.