Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[tinman]

"Electricity is not energy" Really? Since when? One of the units of energy (Joule) is equivalent to one Watt.second
For example, electricity can be converted TO and FROM: heat, light, sound.

Yes-electricity is not energy,it is a potential energy source. Like you stated in your own reply,it must be converted into either heat,light,sound-->and magnetic force-eg.the electric motor.

Well it seems that i have become the bad guy here-->UFOpolotics said the same thing once.
Well this bad guy is trying to save you guys from wasted time,money and that trip up the garden path full of dead flowers.

So,i will ask only one thing from Clarence-->a test that is so simple that nothing more than a volt meter is needed.
Clarence
Can you please run your system in loop mode for say 2 hours(disconected from the grid of course)with a light load of say 50 watts-i dont even require a battery voltage reading at the start of the test. When the 2 hour run is up,place a volt meter on your battery,and remove the battery from the system. Dose the voltage on your battery drop or rise-->the test is that simple.

[memoryman]

"Yes-electricity is not energy,it is a potential energy source. Like you stated in your own reply,it must be converted into either heat,light,sound-->and magnetic force-eg.the electric motor."
I stated that it CAN be converted into many forms: NOT that it MUST be. Just as heat is a form of energy and CAN be converted into other forms of energy, such as electricity.

[Clarence]

Yes-electricity is not energy,it is a potential energy source. Like you stated in your own reply,it must be converted into either heat,light,sound-->and magnetic force-eg.the electric motor.

Well it seems that i have become the bad guy here-->UFOpolotics said the same thing once.
Well this bad guy is trying to save you guys from wasted time,money and that trip up the garden path full of dead flowers.

So,i will ask only one thing from Clarence-->a test that is so simple that nothing more than a volt meter is needed.
Clarence
Can you please run your system in loop mode for say 2 hours(disconected from the grid of course)with a light load of say 50 watts-i dont even require a battery voltage reading at the start of the test. When the 2 hour run is up,place a volt meter on your battery,and remove the battery from the system. Dose the voltage on your battery drop or rise-->the test is that simple.

I definitely do NOT need any instructions from YOU as to how to conduct tests! I am NOT your mongoloid kindergarten pet by INFINITE MILES!

Your bad guy - good guy scenario pretension to SAVE THE WORLD is enough to make any intelligent person want to PUKE!

@ ALL,

I will be testing and providing results as usual in about a week- plus or minus whatever it turns out. I don't follow any clock and do other work the same as you WHICH I know you are already aware of
and by your own personal character values have also taken into consideration.

In the meantime to ALL.

cheers,

Clarence

[tinman]

Clarence

I definitely do NOT need any instructions from YOU as to how to conduct tests! I am NOT your mongoloid kindergarten pet by INFINITE MILES!

Indeed-->in fact,it seems the device just running is your test protocal so far

Your bad guy - good guy scenario pretension to SAVE THE WORLD is enough to make any intelligent person want to PUKE!

No,not save the world-->just try and save people time and money on building an unworkable device. This is what i do,and i dont really care if you like it or not. Your attitude toward conducting a simple test is proof enough you intend on bleeding this nonsence device to the very end.How much of your time would be taken up by the simple test i asked you to carry out?. We see it time and time again,when crunch time come's,there is always an excuse as to why the test cant be carried out.
The device isnt complete yet.-needs more ground rods<---
I have other things to do ATM<---
Your replication is wrong-thats why it dosnt work like mine dose.<--yet to come
Your on the wrong side of the planet.<-- may also come.
Should i go on?-there are thousands to come yet,and you have already 2 of the above up your sleeve.

I will be testing and providing results as usual in about a week

I must have missed these provided test result's some where. Could you quote the post number these usual test results were provided? I remember one test where you ran the device(unloaded) for a couple of hours,and noted no change in battery voltage. Are you not aware of the tricks LAB's can play when it comes to the voltages they show?. Place your battery in the sun with a volt meter across it-->bugga me,the voltage rises-->must have inbuilt solar cells

plus or minus whatever it turns out. I don't follow any clock and do other work the same as you WHICH I know you are already aware of

As you dont sleep at all(apparently),then time shouldnt be an issue for you. I feel the plus or minus is going to be a very long time.

Believe it or not Clarence,im on your side. I too am chasing the free energy machine-->and have been for many,many years. I offer my help in way of trying to show and explain what you have,and also provide very simple and short time consuming test,and you refuse with insults. Im not even going to try and guess what it has cost you so far,but even copper ground rods arnt cheap.

Anyway-good luck in your endeavor.

[Void]

I tried a basic test with B&L's single transformer arrangement from their patent drawing,
(see attached drawing from patent). I took a 600VA ferrite toroid power transformer (it is what I had
on hand) and wound a 3 turn 4 AWG stranded copper wire on the toroid as a secondary. The 4 AWG
wire I used for this has bolt lugs on each end of the wire, and I bolted these two wire lugs tightly together
to short out my 3 turn secondary into a 'closed loop'.  I used an inline AC power meter to measure the input power
to the transformer when plugged into the mains. I used a clamp on AC ammeter to measure the AC
RMS current in my 3 turn secondary. Basically in this test I just wanted to see what the power draw would be
and how much current would flow in the shorted 3 turn secondary winding.

I thought it might possibly blow the breaker in my mains service panel when I plugged it in, but it did
not blow the breaker. I was only able to plug it in for about 5 seconds max because the 4 AWG wire became
burning hot already in 5 seconds. If I left it plugged in much longer than that the insulation on the 4 AWG
wire would have started melting or burning.

The inline wattmeter measured around 1600 Watts average into the transformer from the mains, with the max power
registered in the power meter as 1940 Watts. Yikes!
The first time I tried this I had the clamp on AC ammeter set to the 600 Amp AC range, but it showed "OL" for overload.
I then unplugged the transformer and let the secondary wire cool down for about 10 minutes, and then set the
clamp on ammeter to the 1000 Amp AC range. I plugged the transformer back in and the current in the 3 turn
secondary was measuring between about 920 Amps to around 1000 Amps RMS or so! The reading was jumping around in that
current range. Now that seems extremely high for the current measurement in the 3 turn 4 AWG wire secondary, but
that is what the clamp on ammeter measured. Maybe the strong magnetic field from the toroid transformer and 3 turn secondary
was throwing off the measurement, as the ammeter was clamped onto the 3 turn secondary right beside the toroid, but I am not
sure what is causing such a high current measurement on the secondary winding.

The moral of the story is that what I tried won't work.   The 4 AWG wire on the 3 turn secondary would start to burn up after only
a very short time of being energized. Whatever B&L are intending for their single transformer arrangement, it isn't what I just tried. 
Maybe you would need to use a much smaller capacity ferrite core so that the transformer saturates at much lower currents.
Or maybe you need a lot more than 3 turns on the shorted secondary winding.
Any comments/suggestions regarding this test welcome.

All the best...