Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[cheors]

This one is very hot !!!   (200 A)

[MileHigh]

Mile High:  No one denies your right to an opinion.
However, there is also something called common courtesy.
If someone is having a good attempt at a replication then they should be encouraged,
even if they fail. After all no-one has made a serious attempt at replicating Barbosa and Leal before.
Free speech does not include the right to insult someone.
If someone insulted your family you would not like it.
This is a forum for adults, not people behaving like immature children.

Are you saying that I am insulting Clarence because I gave my frank and honest opinion after four months of this discussion?  Look, I admit that my comments were blunt, but that is not necessarily an insult.  We can also argue that Clarence is insulting you and others like you on this forum.  If he is not being truthful when he speaks to you he is implicitly insulting you, for months on end.

Okay, so you have the "secret sauce" dreams.  That's how you explain away the rather strange simplified schematic that is just a glorified battery to inverter back to battery system.  I think we would all agree that a "vanilla" battery powering an inverter powering a battery charger looping back to the same battery is a non-starter, correct?  So does that mean that most of you are hoping for a "faint hope" clause to work some unexplainable magic and Clarence's system might really work?

If that's the case, what is the point of even having a technical discussion since many of you want to believe in magic?

I am not the bad guy here.  I am just telling you what I see.  You guys want to respect Clarence for his project, but seemingly you have no respect for basic physics and science and technology.  You should try and combine the two things together, "Yes I want to believe you but show me the data."  And just some unknown guy making a posting that makes claims within his typed in text is not "showing you the data."  If you just believe that some unknown guy can make text postings making free energy claims is "data" then you need to start thinking more clearly and sensibly.

If most of you are hanging on Clarence, and then Clarence bows out, chickens out, whatever you want to call it, then Clarence killed the thread.

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MH
so you pee'd in Clarence's Punch bowl and feel he should just "man Up"??
whats the big deal?
Why'd he leave his own party like that???

If he does decide to come back ,can you just refrain from commenting until such time as there is something which is not self evident ??

almost every one I speak with has measured different power levels at ground points
even a few inches a part, some have found tree's and lit LEd's between them [Tinman's friend]
others have told me about there experiences spreading grounds around over areas and finding very odd things.
I truly wish to understand How Clarence has measured this claim,as do many others.

[MileHigh]

Chet:

I will speak when I want.  Nor did I "pee in his punch bowl" which is just more straw man stuff from you.  I suppose the "big insult" is that I stated that Clarence doesn't understand electronics.  That is what I see, it's a fact based on evidence.  Do you get that?  It's true.  I am just doing a service for those that may not realize this.  If people agree that it's true then what the heck has been taking place for four months?  Nor am I stating the obvious that you already know.  If it was so obvious then some of you would be making some obvious points yourselves, because they are critical for the discussion about how this thing allegedly works.  Instead, you are sidetracked in asking about wire gages and how many turns.

I marked up the schematic one more time.  You want to get a sense for how this thing allegedly works?  There are five points I identified where you can measure the average power flow in this circuit.  That would be extremely useful information to understand how this thing is supposed to work.  Has anyone ever discussed these measurements?  After four months, have these measurements ever been made?  Does Clarence have a scope and the skills for measuring the average power flow at each one of the five points?  If you haven't discussed this stuff, and you are just beginners to electronics that is fine.  Alternatively, if you think you understand electronics, then how come (I assume) this has never been discussed?  This is 100 times more important than knowing the size of the two toroidal cores, the gage of the wire, or the bloody number of turns.

MileHigh

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MH
the big insult was intimating that he is some kind of nut that gets his jollies posting
make believe circuits for attention.. mental massogenist or whatever you felt you could call him.

read your post again.

your querries have no value at this point.  the cow has left the Barn[sorry Clarence]