Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[TinselKoala]

Chet:

Thanks for reposting Dragon's information and allowing the blind to see the images.  It's fun and interesting stuff, a good learning experience for hobbyists.  The power levels are very low, probably less than one-tenth of a miliwatt.

The problem is that it has nothing to do with Clarence's alleged system.  That's always a danger with threads.  People start to run out of ideas and before you know it everything but the kitchen sink starts getting discussed.

MileHigh

Do you mean that Dragon isn't going to be showing us how he runs his microwave oven using the circuits he's posted?  Darn, I was getting excited there for a moment.

BTW, the cost of the MJE18008 transistor is... variable.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/391058088816?lpid=82&chn=ps
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENERIC-MJE18008-FNFP-MJE18008-/390913636041
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-MJE18008-Encapsulation-TO-220-/371218928486

[TinselKoala]

Note that in Dragon's schematic below, there is NO CONNECTION between the "ground" wire and the rest of the circuit. Just as in the B&L claims, it is insulated wire wrapped a few turns around another insulated wire, and does not make a closed circuit connection with _anything_.  There could be some capacitive coupling in such an arrangement, but that is all.

I ask you all now: Can ANYONE show any real effects on an actual circuit from such a "connection?" Get out your scopes and meters, pound in your ground rods... show me some effect that is measurable, detectable, some real effect. Can you show any _power transfer_ from the "ground" to the rest of the circuit... ANY circuit... using such a non-connection? Enough to charge a car battery or run a microwave oven? Enough to LIGHT AN LED, even?   I say you cannot. Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG. Show the results of your test circuit with and without this "ground" non-connection in place.

While you are considering this, note well that Clarence reportedly DOES NOT USE this non-connection any more, if he ever did ... his little loop is connected to the circuit in a manner that simply turns the ground rod array into a big resistor for the _mains supply_ current that is actually providing the energy for his scheme.

[ramset]

Yes this is quite true [NO CONNECTION} ..and He also recommends starting with LED's
Not microwave ovens.
and to look for a means to this
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the last piece of puzzel is getting the current loop and earth to form a ferroresonant connection...

[TinselKoala]

Yes this is quite true [NO CONNECTION} ..and He also recommends starting with Small LED's
Not microwave ovens.

I have no doubt that some of the circuits Dragon posted will light up an LED or two. That is not in dispute. What I am disputing is that specific non-connection to ground as shown in the B&L patent and reproduced in the last diagram above. Let's see some demonstrated effect, some significant power transfer, from _that specific setup_.

I want to see someone light up an LED with that non-contact few loops being the only "connection" to ground, and show the same circuit _not_ lighting the LED when that "ground" is removed from the circuit.

[TinselKoala]

Yes this is quite true [NO CONNECTION} ..and He also recommends starting with LED's
Not microwave ovens.
and to look for a means to this
Quote
the last piece of puzzel is getting the current loop and earth to form a ferroresonant connection...

That last part is just silly.

http://www.hdelectriccompany.com/assets/files/Ferroresonance%20Explained_Incident%20Prevention%20Article_100212.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroresonance_in_electricity_networks