Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

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Brad:

Thanks for the correction but it doesn't make any difference.  Having the earth ground wire loop a few turns around the secondary high-current captor loop is really nothing more than electronics quackery that doesn't mean anything.  It's just like other parts of the circuit are electronics quackery.  To tell the truth I was aware that there were three or four variations on the CAD-based schematic and I wasn't willing to spend 10 or 15 minutes trying to figure out which one was a perfect match.

Your comments about the number of grounding rods is not necessarily true.  It's just as easily arguable that the number of rods in the setup is never really an issue and it is not a "choke point" for the current flow at all.  You can make a reasonable assumption that it's possible that no matter the number of rods, the conductivity through the ground remains very high.  For example, if the soil resistance between the two sets of grounding rods varies let's say between 0.4 ohms and 0.8 ohms depending on the number of rods, then it's not going to really make any difference at all.  I am making an assumption about the resistance because it never occurred to Clarence to make that measurement, plus he wouldn't know how to make the measurement anyway.  As far as Clarence saying that he got more power to the load, I take that all with a huge grain of salt.  It's possible that it's a "good story" for the narrative and leave it at that.  Even if he did observe more power to the load, it could have been because of another factor, which most likely Clarence would not have been able to distinguish.

There are several caveats here.  Firstly, I don't know what the typical resistance would be between sets of grounding rods.  I am making an assumption that the rods are at least one meter in length, and the lower parts of the rods make it down to very moist or even water-logged soil.  Under those conditions I am making an assumption of less than one ohm, and for all I know it might even be less than 1/10th of an ohm.  I really don't know.  It's a pretty strange measurement to make, so it might be very hard to find that information, I didn't try.  Secondly, I have no idea what kind of soil there is where Clarence is, how wet the soil is, how long his rods are, when did it last rain, and so on and so forth.  I read that they said those variables were discussed among the EF members, but not Clarence himself.  However, we can't forget that two sets of grounding rods in soil are at the EXACT SAME GROUND POTENTIAL, and that means they are as dead as a doornail with respect to "extracting power from the ground."

MileHigh

Secondly, I have no idea what kind of soil there is where Clarence is, how wet the soil is, how long his rods are, when did it last rain, and so on and so forth.  I read that they said those variables were discussed among the EF members, but not Clarence himself.

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MH, you have worn out my patience and I am a very patient man. You are the poster child for the syndrome I WILL BLUSTER AND TO HELL WITH THE FACTS.

Clarence gave a clearly detailed description of his soil conditions. You have raved and ranted about LACK OF DATA. The lack of data is your burden because, possibly, you have such a low attention level, that you have ignored published facts that even a high school child would have noticed. Or, at least, SHOULD have noticed before making an idiotic claim that those facts had not been published.

This is not the only serious point on which you have severely and unfairly criticized and insulted a probably sincere and honest man who apparently was acting to be helpful to all humanity, even nut jobs who don't deserve it.

Do you want an extended list of the points on which you have unjustly crucified him as a result of your own grossly ineffective perceptual and perceptive abilities?

It is available.


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I will attempt to coin a term, "The Housewife-iPad factor."

I worked in computer graphics 25 years ago.  A long time ago, but look at something like the iPad.  It's just a computer, a graphics subsystem, and a display.  Without ever having read about the guts inside an iPad, I still have a pretty good idea about how it works.  For me, an iPad is not just a "black box," I have a good feeling for what's inside the box.  What applied 25 years ago, still applies today.  The chips inside a graphics computer from 25 years ago are very similar to the chips inside an iPad.  The chips in the iPad and the underlying processes are just more modern.

But what about a "housewife" that never studied or read about technology?  For her, the way an iPad works is so far removed from her experience, that it is almost magic.  She hasn't the slightest clue about what's inside an iPad and she has no understanding about how the underlying software works.  For her, the only thing she knows is that it works.  She doesn't have to know how it works.  For her, the inside of the iPad is just "grey mist."  The software in the iPad is just "grey mist."  Her mind has no frame of reference for even conceptualizing about how the iPad works.

That is the Housewife-iPad factor.

And for many so-called "free energy researchers" and replicators, the Housewife-iPad factor comes into play.  It's happening for this replication.  BroMikey is seriously affected by the Housewife-iPad factor.  Even Clarence is suffering from the Housewife-iPad factor.  There is no demonstrated capability to understand or analyze this circuit.

For them it's like the blind leading the blind.  For me it's like the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.

So, anybody that is considering doing a replication has to seriously consider all of these factors.  And even more importantly Clarence has to answer the questions.  Or just continue sleepwalking...

I have been noticing, MH, that you have an amazing ability to alternate between an almost brain-dead persona IQ 60 or less,  and this very elegant and indeed eloquent persona IQ perhaps 115. I am impressed by your range. Not that there is anything wrong with that. How do you do it?


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He didn't have the right light bulb??  You have got to be kidding.

Quote from Ariovaldo:

I will give you a possible explanation for all of this.  Barbosa and Leal are criminals.  They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip.  The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device.  They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available.  When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.

Then we have "Phase II."  Clarence has some psychological issues and he loves telling big stories and being the center of attention.  He can lie about all sorts of things, but when asked to produce hard data that's a line he can't cross.  You see, there is "colourful story" lying which in his mind is not really lying at all, and then there is outright lying where you state that you ran tests and recorded hard data but that did not take place.  So he can't psychologically cross that line and make an outright lie, hence he avoids the question.

Then you have a real victim, the EF user Totoalas that is going to buy grounding rods and travel in Asia to get parts for a replication.  What if he is just a guy of modest means and this is sucking all his money away from his family?  Most of the people on EF are reading here.  I don't for a second believe that all of you believe Clarence.  Yet not a single one of you is advising caution to Totoalas, or even telling him publicly on the EF thread that you don't believe that Clarence's system works.  I will remind all of you that it's 100% clear to me that Clarence knows next to nothing about electronics.  That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.

MileHigh

Mile High, You have crossed over line and gone hyperbolic now.

I will give you a possible explanation for all of this.  Barbosa and Leal are criminals.  They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip.  The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device.  They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available.  When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.

Your libelous fantasy is a truly scurrilous slur. There is not enough money in the universe to pay me to take your Karma.

You are sick.

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He didn't have the right light bulb??  You have got to be kidding.

I will give you a possible explanation for all of this.  Barbosa and Leal are criminals.  They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip.  The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device.  They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available.  When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.

Then we have "Phase II."  Clarence has some psychological issues and he loves telling big stories and being the center of attention.  He can lie about all sorts of things, but when asked to produce hard data that's a line he can't cross.  You see, there is "colourful story" lying which in his mind is not really lying at all, and then there is outright lying where you state that you ran tests and recorded hard data but that did not take place.  So he can't psychologically cross that line and make an outright lie, hence he avoids the question.

Then you have a real victim, the EF user Totoalas that is going to buy grounding rods and travel in Asia to get parts for a replication.  What if he is just a guy of modest means and this is sucking all his money away from his family?  Most of the people on EF are reading here.  I don't for a second believe that all of you believe Clarence.  Yet not a single one of you is advising caution to Totoalas, or even telling him publicly on the EF thread that you don't believe that Clarence's system works.  I will remind all of you that it's 100% clear to me that Clarence knows next to nothing about electronics.  That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.

MileHigh

Mile High, You have crossed over line and gone hyperbolic now.

I will give you a possible explanation for all of this.  Barbosa and Leal are criminals.  They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip.  The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device.  They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available.  When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.

Unless you can supply a link verifying that that is exactly what was proved to have happened, your libelous fantasy is a truly scurrilous slur and a damned lie. There is not enough money in the universe to pay me to take your Karma.

You are sick.

That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.

And that makes you a delusional lying son of a bitch in my book, until you prove it.


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Nelson:

So your example has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.

Enjoykin:

I don't follow LENR, and it has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.

Anybody is welcome to contribute to this thread.  You can forget your "OU poster conspiracy theories" also.

All:

What if I say to you that the government is lying to you?

I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.

What if I say to you that the big corporations are lying to you?

I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.

What if I say to you that Barbosa and Leal are lying to you?

Oh..... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.

What if I say to you that Clarence is lying to you?

Oh.... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.

Okay, not all of you become sheep, but some of you clearly become sheep.

I am offended that Barbosa and Leal are liars.  I am offended that poor Clarence is a liar and can't admit that he never made a long-term test of his replication, and now he plays the "guru that doesn't know how to tie his own shoes."

And I feel dismay that very few people around here are able to have an honest discussion about the merits or the lack of merits for a given free energy proposition.  Even people with very basic electronics skills should be able to recognize how silly and stupid it is to have a device that includes two short-circuited toroidal transformers.

So I made my points about this silly project and had a serious technical discussion about it.  Nobody has tried to argue my technical points at all.

So let's all sit back and watch the people struggle with their replication attempts while Clarence struggles and tries to navigate himself through a world of electronics he knows very little about.  Clarence is just a victim of Barbosa and Leal, pretending he knows what he is doing, and ultimately creating more victims when people try to replicate his unproven nonsense.

This is a classic case of reality being stranger than fiction.

MileHigh

'HIGH, what if I say to you that you are a liar? And remind you that in the Judeo-Christian religion, which I embrace, any and every liar is condemned by God to unending burning fire of Hell? And therefore any and every unrepentant liar is a Goddam liar?

And what if I remind you that many posts ago, you falsely claimed that Clarence did not explain a detail about the wiring of his grounding array that you, in your limited intellect, found yourself befuddled? And what if I can easily show that Clarence had indeed explained the detail, but, in your apparently unlimited talent for being, and, behaving as if you are a silly unobservant fool, you said he did not explain it?

You are really not very smart, boy.


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