Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[Just..Sayin..]

I am not convinced that the witnesses had the necessary skills to validate the tests.

They do not tell us if both conductors coming from the grid were metered during the tests. It may still be just the one conductor amp-metered that we have seen in the video, which of course may only be showing trace amounts of the load. For a proper demo the meter has to be clamped on each of the conductors independently, not just the one.

They have not yet demonstrated self running, and they should be able to do so. Battery discharged after 4 hours? An inverter powered by a battery will run power to ground, albeit only on one of the inverter outputs, I have done it with a modified sine wave inverter. (Only one wire of the two coming from the inverter will load to ground, not sure why.) (Not a 'SWER' locale)

The 1600 watt load sounds impressive enough, but... is the 'grid' supplying part of the power through the ground? It would be nice to see someone in a "SWER' location, who has the meters, run some tests with an inverter hooked to the 'captor transfo design' and see if the extra energy is being siphoned out of the grid through the ground wire. It would put this to sleep right away.

Why are they not able to self run the unit with the inverter as an intial source and then just rectify the output to close loop the system? Same question with the grid as an initial  source?

Why are they hiding the unit in resin? The details are supposed to be in the Patent. A diligent business man will not license a technology unless the patent lines up with the product and can protect his product.

That they are building their own inverter to reduce costs does not make any sense. The market is saturated with inverters and it would be impossible to compete and why would they want to? Their unit has an extremely high mark up, why try and save a few bucks by building your own inverter?

They are willing to travel to demonstrate? Why not do a proper demonstration at home with qualified observers and independent test equipment?

It is also curious why they would have two meters from the power company. What measurements were they not sure of and double checking? If there was only 22 watts coming from the grid, and both conductors were metered, why the concern with grid meters? Something does not add up with that.

"The Captor with the 213,416 W output was hooked to a 3/4" iron pipe that worked as resistance. The Amp reading was 1002 A and the voltage reading was 213.6 V."

Loading a piece of steel pipe and heating it with high amperage is not an appropriate load test at all. Anyone who has tried to replicate their unit knows the high amp closed loop will produce a lot of heat very quickly with minimal input... and besides, who would have the nerve to short 1000 amps at 220 volts to a piece of pipe. You would have to be insane... i can guarantee you there was only half a volt, not 220. They may have measured 220 across the primary and the closed loop secondary but there is no way it was 220 going through the pipe, it would have blown up.

[skribat]

' .. is the 'grid' supplying part of the power through the ground? It would be nice to see someone in a "SWER' location, who has the meters, run some tests with an inverter hooked to the 'captor transfo design' and see if the extra energy is being siphoned out of the grid through the ground wire. It would put this to sleep right away.'

and that was my first thought ... my second was .. if I can get it to power half a dozen storage heaters does it really matter ..  lol

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29  PAGE

http://www.rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm  discussion and details of invention

[Farmhand]

OK Guys, I have a replication of this setup below. and will produce a video to show how it "works" or more to the point doesn't work.

I have it set up to show several effects of the arrangement, I also have my own separate ground stake which is as good or better than the house ground stake. I'll be using an in line safety switch on the grid input so any discrepancy in the current on the Lines A<>N over 30 Ma will shut off the power. However once isolated current can be sent through the ground. Something to consider, Also they say the ground wire is just wrapped around the closed loop which would give a capacitive coupling to the loop, they also show the active line from the grid connected to the loop (in one iteration) and then the power is drawn from between the loop and the Neutral line, or in other words the power is drawn as normal.

Now if the current is measured through the closed loop and the voltage is measured between the closed loop and the Neutral line the "power" figure would be enormous but it is not a power value. I'll show why, I intend to use a step down transformer so that it has a "grounded neutral" of it's own as well as a coupled connection from that ground to the loop. And a direct connection from the active of my "LV line" to the loop.

In order not to melt the 10 Amp Auto wire I made the loop from I will need to vary the input voltage with a variac.

I'll be back with a video !.

Cheers

P.S. The last picture shows on the left one iteration as shown in the patent, on the right is how I have mine setup so as to get isolation from the grid but recreate a grounded neutral AC system. AS well in the bottom right hand corner I show how I will test using an actual capacitor as a coupling to the loop from the ground. Without connecting the active line to the loop I don;t see how it can work except for transferring through the capacitor to complete the load loop of current.

ALSO: I am fairly sure they do show the AC input half wave rectified in one arrangement but I also think they say it is not necessary and normal AC can be used. I can try rectified as well.

Can anyone confirm that last statement ?

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[totoalas]

Glad Farmhand  you joined in   
My understanding of the circuit  is the 2 turn loop of the secondary is connected to another transformer with 2 turns as well
the input can be dc or ac ...... the loop is wrapped or encased in copper tube connected to ground  to dissipate the heat.... 
If he used a rectifier   ac to dc   one leg of ac to live   the other leg is to ground  not the neutral   this for input
for output is the same in reverse  to produce ac

Ive tried this on reactive capacitor charger  and it works but tripped my cb  several times...... without the ground and just Neutral  my 7ah battery is humming out like it will explode ( 165 v dc   injection)  but with the  ground   the charge
climbed at a steady rate 

either he used three transformers   in a loop   two for input 2 turns in the secondaries    the third transformer same  2 turns in the secondary  and primary as output
my tests stopped from there abruptly and waiting for some other development  from this thread......
 

[e2matrix]

If it is all this simple as shown in their patent then why do they fill their units with red epoxy to hide their device from reverse engineering?   I think they have left something out of the patent as many inventors do and that is the secret of their 'energy Captor'.    I would suspect some fort of oscillator using high power MosFets.