Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[TinselKoala]

Well this is the crux of the whole patent. They claim to have found a new effect. So you should be quite capable of disproving this yourself and putting out a video. - Seeing as you are KING of the nay-sayers. So prove to us all that it doesn't work !
Will you?

No! I don't claim the effect, I don't know how to make it, my failure would prove nothing! And I know enough about the subject matter to know that the explanation given is bogus under our present knowledge. So it does no good at all for me to try anything at this point, except to try to get people to think a little bit.
I have indeed worked with real kiloampere currents, and I have indeed seen devices powered by groundloops involving Earth grounds and a phase of the mains supply. So I am proposing a couple of simple tests _that can only be done by someone who has such a device that "works"_ that would demonstrate the correctness of the claims.

Is this really so difficult for you to understand?  It is in no sense required that a skeptic prove the device wrong.... what is required is for the claimant to prove that the device is _not_ wrong. I don't believe the meter readings are accurate because of my prior experience with meters and with high currents and with oscillating currents, so I am asking for a more believable test: Blow a 100 amp fuse with the "1000 amp current". How unreasonable is that?
And I have seen deliberate and inadvertent cases where mains power leaked into a circuit through a "ground wire". In this case it is supposed to be leaking in that way, through an "inductive connection" but the sketch shows a single turn. Once again, because I have some little experience with inductive power transfer, I don't believe it, so I am giving the claimant a simple and easy couple of experiments that would go a long way towards convincing _me_ that the claims are true.

Is there something really wrong with that?

[Liberty]

No! I don't claim the effect, I don't know how to make it, my failure would prove nothing! And I know enough about the subject matter to know that the explanation given is bogus under our present knowledge. So it does no good at all for me to try anything at this point, except to try to get people to think a little bit.
I have indeed worked with real kiloampere currents, and I have indeed seen devices powered by groundloops involving Earth grounds and a phase of the mains supply. So I am proposing a couple of simple tests _that can only be done by someone who has such a device that "works"_ that would demonstrate the correctness of the claims.

Is this really so difficult for you to understand?  It is in no sense required that a skeptic prove the device wrong.... what is required is for the claimant to prove that the device is _not_ wrong. I don't believe the meter readings are accurate because of my prior experience with meters and with high currents and with oscillating currents, so I am asking for a more believable test: Blow a 100 amp fuse with the "1000 amp current". How unreasonable is that?
And I have seen deliberate and inadvertent cases where mains power leaked into a circuit through a "ground wire". In this case it is supposed to be leaking in that way, through an "inductive connection" but the sketch shows a single turn. Once again, because I have some little experience with inductive power transfer, I don't believe it, so I am giving the claimant a simple and easy couple of experiments that would go a long way towards convincing _me_ that the claims are true.

Is there something really wrong with that?

I may agree with the power (electron) leak through the ground scenario from TenselKoala as a possibility.  If you look at the electron trap picture, it taps into the power input and connects to the electron trap ground circuit, which would create a possible circuit from the power company neutral/ground, to the device (if the power company neutral/grd is close enough).  It might have the effect of bypassing the power meter, pulling power through the ground circuit.  The patent did specify that power could come from AC power.  If DC power was used, they may have put a diode in the circuit from the AC source which would create a DC current path.  There is room for question in my opinion.  Like was said above, a working unit would have to run on a battery for a power source to eliminate power coming from a power company ground circuit, bypassing the power meter.  More testing should be done.

The other electron trap picture has the electron trap isolated from direct connection to input power.  But there is a plus sign connection point on the trap.  I don't know if a positive voltage is placed there, since it doesn't say on the patent?  If so, it may create another possible circuit through the ground path?  Lots of questions, not many answers at this point.  Not to be negative, just realistic.

Liberty

[Bruce_TPU]

To those interested, I have spent hours pouring through the patents and drawings.  It is brilliant!  You will not be able to make it work until you can answer the SM question that I have asked on my thread...

What are the ramifications of dual rotating fields?  Why is that helpful?

Barbosa knows the answer and boldly states so in his patent.  Facinating! 

Cheers,

Bruce

[crazycut06]

Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w

Regards

In this video this setup is merely an inverter type setup, where low volts high amps converts high voltage to low amps, he did not check consumption on the input side if he was consuming the same amount of power with the light versus connected directly on mains....

[a.king21]

To those interested, I have spent hours pouring through the patents and drawings.  It is brilliant!  You will not be able to make it work until you can answer the SM question that I have asked on my thread...

What are the ramifications of dual rotating fields?  Why is that helpful?

Barbosa knows the answer and boldly states so in his patent.  Facinating! 

Cheers,

Bruce

If you know the answer, then why don't you tell us. And what has this to do with the simple electron trap from the earth?