Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[tinman]

hi Tinman .. what you say is quite true, the arguments you put forward are perfectly valid I don't have a problem with that.  I think Clarence wants to start with a blank sheet of paper. Often the things we have already been taught and preconceived ideas get in the way of our following simple instructions.  Do you remember when you first started working with computers? for me it was the early 1970's, remember how illogical much of it seemed to be, and 'Logic' .. it took me a while to get my head round that, I thought it all seemed totally illogical.  young children learn fast because they know nothing, they take what they are given and accept it, it's the fastest way forward at that time in their development. .. ... I think Clarence wants us to start with a blank sheet and put to one side what we already know because it will get in the way of achieving the objective, it's his game, he makes the rules, we decide if we want to play.
What he is proposing to start with costs just a little but will provide the 'hands-on' understanding for what is to come.  If we already understood what he wants us to know we would be doing it instead of talking about it.  I include myself in this .. we are all guilty at some time of not seeing the elephant in the room. Just like you I am putting forward the other side of the argument. Let everyone choose which path to take maybe one of them will be good, nothing ventured nothing gained, good luck to all.

I agree-not all what we are taught are correct. But there comes a time when you will come across devices that are nothing out of the ordinary-->and this device fits that bill. Would you really buy a car without first seeing it run,and taking it for a test drive?. And why oh why is it a must that ferrite cores are used in sted of laminated steel cores at these low frequencies. Infact,steel laminated cores would be far better in this situation and at these low frequencies--Clarence will not even provide a reason for having to use ferrite cored transformers.It is things like this that should start the alarm bells ringing. I have tested steel laminated and ferrite toroid transformers of the same size side by side up to 7.5KHz,and the steel ones win hands down up until that frequency--so why the ferrite insistance?.

And why the refusal of a simple test run before we all have to start spending money?.
The answer is-he wants followers to adhear to his ruels.
And he knows that his device will not perform as expected or claimed.

[Enjoykin]

Hello everyone

Run out from the maze is simple. Buy ticket to Iowa and check device from the first hand.

The TRUTH will show herself.

Reg,Enjoykin

[skribat]

i am an old man too.

hi Cheors .. thanks for posting the B&L schematic again .. the thing I noticed first time I saw it a couple of years ago, and the one thing no one ever talks about but which I believe is very important is the 'trigger' .. seems to be a rotating magnetic 'Hall effect' trigger designed to set the pulse operating frequency in the system. Other people seem to have had good results from tuning the frequency, even Kapenadze with the basic spark generator. The Andrea Rossi device and many others use frequency tuning before they can can get results.  I believe this is important or it wouldn't be included. I don't say this is the only way to achieve the optimum operating frequency, but not achieving the good frequency may be the reason why so many people have failed to replicate the B&L device. ?? sk

[TinselKoala]

Is this another EMJunkie thread?

[mscoffman]

Skibrat,

I don't have a problem when someone wants to demonstrates leadership in a project, infact
I appreciate it. My problem is when people have a predefined set of things they absolutely
will not consider doing for no valid reason while excersizing this leadership in other areas
of the project.  Too often it seems that a quick cleanly OU validation appears right
downstream from the stuff that can't possibly be done, for no valid reason. Don't forget
this is an educational opportunity where we show younger people how to do certain thing
that they may have never seen in other forums.

For example, simply because Clarence never intends to sell power back to the utility doesn't
mean nobody never intends to sell power back to a utility. Wouldn't it make sense for
Clarence to modify his long held belief to and "effectively" never sell any power back
to the utility so we cleanly demonstrate what is possible and what is not? The same thing
can be said about reducing AHour storage capacity of the system to low but resonable
levels and show the system continues to holds up for a reasonable long amount of time.

People say.."Why has it taken so long to make any OU systems available?"  Well the above
is a big part of the reason. Whether, your you, John Tilly or A. Rossi people expect to have a
*Unitary* demonstrtion of new OU technology and have their questions answered in one
spot and not have to restart, restart and restart again and again the project under new
leadership. I trust either user tinman or lasersaber will show the entire picture as they
have done in their past project, if they complete this one.

I am going to continue to look with respect in the future to people who tend to show the whole
picture, and askance to people who portray partial pictures, no matter what they contain.

:S:MarkSCoffman