Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[Void]

1st. This circuit (original Barbosa Leil or whatever who made Electron Captor - Electron Sucker or call it like you want WILL NOT WORK WITHOUTH
HV. GOT IT !! ABSOLUTELY CAN'T WORK !!

Void  - Why do you think I am spamming?.

Hi Enjoykin.  Ariovaldo has stated that the device he took apart and analyzed does not make use of high voltage, it just uses the mains voltage,
or the voltage from an inverter, if you are using an inverter. The component you see in the schematic created by Ariovaldo may
be for voltage spike protection. Since Ariovaldo created that schematic, if he is around maybe he can explain what he intended there.
Your speculation about the device using high voltage is at complete odds with an actual device made by B&L. I doubt that will stop
you from continuing to state your unfounded speculations as 'fact' here however. 

The B&L single transformer device uses a shorted secondary winding. Ariovaldo tested and
then disassembled an actual device built (and sold, I presume) by B&L, but both Ariovaldo and the previous owner
of the device could not get it to work as it was claimed to work, even though Ariovaldo stated that the previous owner
had a very good ground system in place. Ariovaldo stated that Barbosa then made the excuse to the previous
owner of the device that the primary was not wound with the right amount of turns, and that is why he couldn't
get it to work. Why on earth would B&L make and sell a device that has the primary wound wrong? That sounds very suspicious...
Also, the current meter on the device panel is reading the current from the shorted secondary, which is completely
meaningless in regards to determining either the input or output power of the device. Ariovaldo noted that this
is very strange, and it is indeed a very odd thing to do. Also looks very suspicious.

[Enjoykin]

Hi Void !!

Thank you for replay.   


If Ariovaldo story is TRUE than it means he is a second hand owner and device did not worked in his hands. Facts !!

Now suppose first hand owner story is a TRUE and he did not fixed any thing in device so he just took and sold non working device to Ariovaldo.

Let's rotate viewing perspective.

What if a manufacturer - Barbosa, Leal or somebody third who stand undercover in shadow, simple took and removed high voltage module from device - which is main part and without him device doesn't work. You can't be sure - never because you don't know. Looking logically something is missing in that box and my oppinion is "HIGH VOLTAGE PULSING MODULE".
Thinking from that perspective all story has a great sence - because manu OU devices like Kapanaze, Akula, Roman Karnouhov etc. used HV pulsing to get OverUnity. Right !!
So Barbosa-Leil (or somebody unknown) device is not a simple transformer box but COMPLEX PULSED DEVICE.

Barbosa has simple SOLD story about wrong primary or similar mistakes. It's lie. Why he has potted complete device if primary or secondary were wrong ?? Nonsence. Some UDERCOVER forces were stopped spreading this technology in world.

That "spark gap" should not be there if device is not using HV module !!

Void think logically - who normally put "Spark Gap" for voltage spike protection in low voltage high current devices ?? Complete Nonsence !! But if the main function of spark-gap is to pulse transformer with HV it is some other story and i think in right direction.

I want to see Ariovaldo original schematic from his hands and if is possible to make short conversation with him. I think he can try to fix the problems with our (people from this thread) help and start device working - if he didn't sold it. 

Thank you
Enjoykin

[nelsonrochaa]

Hi Void !!

Thank you for replay.   


If Ariovaldo story is TRUE than it means he is a second hand owner and device did not worked in his hands. Facts !!

Now suppose first hand owner story is a TRUE and he did not fixed any thing in device so he just took and sold non working device to Ariovaldo.

Let's rotate viewing perspective.

What if a manufacturer - Barbosa, Leal or somebody third who stand undercover in shadow, simple took and removed high voltage module from device - which is main part and without him device doesn't work. You can't be sure - never because you don't know. Looking logically something is missing in that box and my oppinion is "HIGH VOLTAGE PULSING MODULE".
Thinking from that perspective all story has a great sence - because manu OU devices like Kapanaze, Akula, Roman Karnouhov etc. used HV pulsing to get OverUnity. Right !!
So Barbosa-Leil (or somebody unknown) device is not a simple transformer box but COMPLEX PULSED DEVICE.

Barbosa has simple SOLD story about wrong primary or similar mistakes. It's lie. Why he has potted complete device if primary or secondary were wrong ?? Nonsence. Some UDERCOVER forces were stopped spreading this technology in world.

That "spark gap" should not be there if device is not using HV module !!

Void think logically - who normally put "Spark Gap" for voltage spike protection in low voltage high current devices ?? Complete Nonsence !! But if the main function of spark-gap is to pulse transformer with HV it is some other story and i think in right direction.

I want to see Ariovaldo original schematic from his hands and if is possible to make short conversation with him. I think he can try to fix the problems and start device working - if he didn't sold it.

Thank you
Enjoykin

Hi ,
Enjoykin i left my opinion about the spark gap subject , and the subject of toroidal transformer without the hv coil secondary.
The transformer toroid should have only the original primary in my case is 230v 50hz only the main primary.

about the "spark gap" :
Surge protector mechanism act like a pulse or spark gap. the effect can be achieved  with diodes too.

This discharge will do the work of pulsing .
See :
Primary coil generate a pulse of voltage higher then source , so the surge protector  discharge  to ground . but we have a small coil around the closed loop that go to ground in series with load . This will generate a reversed high voltage because secondary is  low turns so the induced voltage in primary will be very high, and the surge protector will discharge the excess again .
And the process will be repeat. but this is not a overunity is only a more efficiency process .
The closed loop is only to maintain the core of thyroidal transformer saturated. This is a MAG with feedback  . Or saturable reactor with feedback.
Thanks

[MileHigh]

In reading the last few pages of this thread (I don't really follow this thread) I can see that Clarence and Enjoykin are engaging in fantasy talk.  Very similar to Tito.  It's just silly and assuming that they are both grown men, you wonder why they do it.

I have found over the years there are some common traits that you see when this happens.  The fantasy talkers usually are not able to describe circuits with proper commonly known and understood technical concepts.  I realize that for one at least English is not his first language.  Even with that factored in, you can still see the "baby talk" when they talk about electronics.  Hence, my assumption is that both of them are just bluffing with respect to their alleged electronics knowledge and the claims that this thing allegedly works.  The other trait is the silly game of hints and teases and excuses for not showing any real data and the idea that you have to build it yourself to "prove it for yourself."  It's the usual nonsense talk that we have all seen hundreds of times before.

So, don't hold your breath expecting someone to show anything special with Clarence's box, no matter how many earth grounds he drills.  It's all some kind of strange theater of the absurd.  If you want to be a bit tougher you can argue that both of them are getting some kind of mental masturbation with this.  How they get satisfaction from doing a charade like this is beyond me.

[Void]

who normally put "Spark Gap" for voltage spike protection in low voltage high current devices ?? Complete Nonsence !!

Hi Enjoykin. As I said, it was Avrioaldo who created that schematic based on the B&L device
that he had. What you are calling a spark gap may be voltage spike/surge suppressor for protection
against voltage spikes caused by lightning and that sort of thing, just like many power bars have these days.
If Ariovaldo is still around he can maybe provide more details on what he was indicating there in his schematic drawing.
All the best...